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[ SECRET POST #2411 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2411 ⌋

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Sorry about that, miscounted during the week and it was a bit longer than usual.

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nayrt

but seriously proposing handing over a man and his baby to their certain death in exchange for the life of the woman you've had an intense and creepy obsession with (not to mention a woman who would also be sickened if she heard anyone suggest such a thing) is a sign of what exactly...? and gleefully terrorizing school children for years (and pretty much destroying what little self esteem Neville had to the point where a creature that takes the shape of your worst nightmares took the form of his teacher) makes you...an admirable person?

but he was so noooooooble

and everyone knows that just because Snape, as an adult, redeemed some of his horrible actions by fighting against Voldemort doesn't mean that James could redeem himself after being a douchebag teenager. that's just preposterous

seriously though, what is it about snape that makes people so willing to mark out for him

it's really mystifying to me (unless it actually just is "was played by alan rickman", and i really don't want to believe that)

I liked Snape before the movies, because he was an interesting and horribly flawed individual. I tend to block out the part of his story that ended with "I only did the things I did because I was obsessed with your mom." I tend to block out the entirety of the last book, tbh.

Yeah but it's one thing to find him interesting and another thing entirely to defend him

just does not make a lick of sense

I think one could probably make a decent case for a more... flattering character interpretation than we are doing in this thread.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

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my favorite part of the last book was when harry, ron, and hermione had a threeway marriage and lived for the rest of their days in the forest and sometimes luna was there too

my favorite part too

I might consider shipping Ron/Hermione if it was part of a threesome with Harry.

I believe it >:C

Women give attractive men a free pass. Fandom curse.

Sexism aside, I'm a heterosexual male. And I think Snape was a good guy at the end of the series.

some of it is "was played by alan rickman".

a lot of it, though, is people framing Snape as the bullied geek and identifying with him, and placing James & co in the role of their own high school tormentors. Thus Snape is automatically good and the people who bullied him are irredeemably bad, because emotional response has no room for logic or nuance.

I think a lot of people are willing to be more sympathetic to shitty behavior that is the result of being a victim of bullying or other trauma than they are to forgive shitty behavior coming from someone of a privileged background who does terrible things to others apparently just for the hell of it. In both cases the things they do are shitty, but it's easier to understand someone who does horrible things because they are wounded and broken than someone who does horrible things because lol.

This and what the anon drectly above yor comment said.

Except framing Snapes actions as being "because" of his being bullied is a disservice to anyone who actually has been bullied.

He joined a genocidal terrorist group.

Which Genocidal Terror Groups target young men for. They look for the disenfranchised, the already frustrated, the fucked up and the weird and feed them a load of bollocks about what they can really be if the black man/white man/red man/muggle/whatever wasn't keeping them down.

Snape was ripe for the plucking. Add in a pack of good looking, attractive young men who are never punished for their regular abuse, his inability to get ahead in life under his own power, and then toss in Lucius Malfoy as a very persuasive recruiter and bam! He's a in a genocidal terrorist group though he gives 0 fucks about it's belief system (especially considering he's a halfblood himself) because it gives him validation and a social structure that supports him when no one else would.

He was systematically preyed upon by older 'children' when adults should have been watching out for this shit (both the Marauders and Luciu, if in different directions.) They knew the Big V was recruiting, and should have kept and eye out and intervened to keep him from getting his hooks in their kids (and yes, that means the Slytherins too!) We get NO evidence at all that anyone did, in any case.

This is basic Criminal Justice 101 and Sociology 101 stuff. It's not hard to figure out why he was easy pickings for the DE's, and why he turned on the ideology he had no real investiture in just as quickly.

Does it make him a good person when he swaps side? No. Sticking with that side for twenty motherfucking years, despite everything, regretting his stupidity, and still being flawed and seeing it out to the end? Yeah, I'm okay with him dying and attaining hero status.

PS: Neville had emotional difficulties stemming from issues at home long before he came to Hogwarts, contributing to the ease with which Snape terrified him. That doesn't excuse Snape's behavior at all -- but does magnify its impact on the poor kid!

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and pretty much destroying what little self esteem Neville had to the point where a creature that takes the shape of your worst nightmares took the form of his teacher

This is one of the things that made me incapable of truly sympathizing with Snape's character. Being bullied by other kids in school? Yeah, it sucked but I could handle it. Having to go to class every day to deal with a spiteful, cruel adult who dared to call themselves a teacher (although "deal with" isn't really the right phrasing. It was more like I had to sit there and not say anything because I knew I would get punished if I talked back)? I never got over that. No one should be afraid just to go to class

This

Being bullied by other children was traumatic but at least I know there is a fair chance that they eventually grew out of being assholes. But an adult who uses their authority to bully children? There are no words for how disgraceful and pathetic that is

Made all the more horrific when you take into account that much of Neville's underlying lack of confidence and vulnerability is because Snape's cronies tortured his parents to insanity. Acting on Snape's intel. Is the man incapable of shame, or what?

na

THIS DROVE ME CRAZY

Jesus, didn't Rowling realize that including that part made Snape's treatment of Neville even more grotesque? I mean, good lord, that's just monstrous.

It could be interpreted as being partially driven by guilt, because Snape was definitely immature and volatile enough to be the sort of person who lashed out at anyone who made him feel bad, even if only by being a reminder of horrible shit he was responsible for.

I'm a fan of this interpretation, it makes sense in the context of a very fucked-up Snape.

(Although I do wonder, from a meta POV, whether JKR fully realized that Snape was singling out the boy for whose parents horrific torture he bore a lot of responsibility. I also wonder what Neville thought of Snape sending him to the cutesy Forbidden Forest as a punishment during the last year at Hogwarts. And now I want to read some Snape & Neville 7th year gen.)

Yes, I think only people who've been bullied and harassed by their teachers can truly understand how it feels like.
My math teacher insulted me with sexist slurs each day and he even downright told my parents that he thought my "brain was incapable of understanding mathematics". We complained about his behaviour countless of times but no one dared to take my side because it meant the teacher would target them as well.
I can't believe I put up with this as long as I did. I ended up changing schools because of this piece of shit and later on sent him an angry letter with my improved math grades. No therapy could give me this feeling of victory when I heard that he was being angry at me for writing to him and sending him a copy of my certificate.

Having had experience with a bullying teacher myself (one that arguably affected the whole of the rest of my life), I agree with you.

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