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[ SECRET POST #2415 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2415 ⌋

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[Ray Donovan]

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[Gerard Way of My Chemical Romance]

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[The Hobbit]

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[Top left: Sora and Riku from Kingdom Hearts
Top right: Sam and Dean from Supernatural
Bottom left: Akanishi Jin and Yamashita Tomohisa
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"That was insensitive of me"

Yes it was. It was also incredibly offensive and unforgivable. Good on you for apologising but it doesn't excuse what you did.

Yes I agree it's impossible to apologize to anonymous children on the internet

nayrt, and i don't agree with them

but i don't think it's really worth picking a fight over the fundamental nature of apologizing to people. but hey, if you want to come out swinging here and pick a fight, that's your call, i guess.

I think the person who picked a fight is the person who said that dethtoll is unforgivable, and that his apology doesn't mean anything.

I'm gay and I understand why you would be so offended by it because I was too but I don't see how it was unforgivable. Maybe it's because I've had actual horrible things done to me for being gay but I just don't view his insensitive but relatively harmless rant as anything approaching something that I could never forgive. Everyone has said something stupid and offensive in their lifetime. Even me and even you, but it doesn't mean we can't learn from our mistakes

(I apologize for my english but I wanted to say something)

Typical SJW. Someone says something offensive this one time, they are a bad person forever and nothing they say or do will ever redeem them even if they are genuinely sorry.

People like you are the reason the social justice movement is going down the shitter.

I don't think you can force someone to accept an apology. I'm not sure why you'd try.

There's a difference between not forgiving someone and making shitty comments on an apology about how unforgivable dumb olympics rants are

They're probably the kind of person who'd just let actual bigotry take place right in front of them in favor of angry tweets about something Justin Bieber said

I don't know, I didn't read it as anything other than their personal reaction. And in the context of a thread where someone is apologizing for something that they are acknowledging was wrong and possibly hurtful, it doesn't seem totally ridiculous for someone to take that position.

Like I say, I might not agree with them, but if they don't think they can forgive dt, they don't think they can forgive dt. You can't make 'em.

You can't make a person forgive anything.

But you can criticize that person for it, just as you can criticize them for treating an admission of wrongdoing as worthy of dismissal.

Part of the problem with a lot of social justice activists is that when someone says, "hey, you guys are right. That was a really shitty position for me to take. I am now ready to take a stand against oppression," the reaction is "FUCK YOU. WHAT YOU PREVIOUSLY SAID IS UNFORGIVABLE. YOU ARE ALWAYS BAD FOREVER AND EVER. GO AWAY." What sort of progress do you think that engenders?

What is the point of saying, "your position is problematic and you should change it" if when said person makes that change you reject him or her on the grounds that s/he once had a problematic position?

well that's because SJW's are simply trolls clothed by the facade of social justice.

Nah. They aren't.

What they are usually is teenagers (either literally or mentally) who don't understand that society includes those people they dislike, and that those people they dislike are always going to be there.

heh heh nothing you said contradicted my point though :p

I don't read that as what the person who started this thread is doing? I guess?

"What is the point of saying, "your position is problematic and you should change it" if when said person makes that change you reject him or her on the grounds that s/he once had a problematic position?"

But I don't see that that's what happened here? I see "I was personally offended and do not forgive you for offending me." They didn't say "your position is problematic," they didn't say fuck you, and they didn't say go away. They said they were offended and that the apology didn't change that.

They also didn't say, "I do not forgive you for offending me." They said "it doesn't excuse what you did," which is a pretty open statement, which is probably why everyone is interpreting it every which way.

Except they did say that in their second comment, which they posted before yours. And in the context of the thread, it was clear that they were speaking only for themselves even before they spelled that out.

Whoops, all right. I entered this thread via a parent link and didn't see OP's reply at the bottom so I'm just gonna hop back out and hope the thread dies now.

I agree with this comment.

1S TH1S YOU?

I was speaking just for myself in my comment. No I do not forgive dethtoll. I am not a SJW. I am affected by my government and offended that someone used it as an excuse to further their own personal beleifs about something unrelated. That is dishonest and insensitive and, at least in my case, it is offensive and unforgivable.

And if you track ip you will see this and my other comment have same ip in Canada because we have to use many proxy to say things.

THen you must hold a lot of hate in you with what is no doubt hundreds of petty grudges over various slights.

You know what the problem with that is?

There is absolutely no incentive for anyone who holds a negative position vis a vis your situation to change that position. Even if they change; even if they support your struggle and stand against what your government is doing; they will still merit nothing but hatred and disdain from you.

Why would they join you? Why should they?

DA

"You know what the problem with that is?" The problem with what? That they were offended? That they don't personally forgive someone who offended them?

I feel like I'm missing something here. What are you talking about people standing with them? We already know that many people around the world are doing just that. And the person even spelled out that they were speaking only about themselves, about their personal reaction to yesterday's thread because for some unknown reason some people here seemed to take it that this person was declaring something from on high. It's very clear from the outset that they were speaking only for themselves. And try as I might, I can't find anything in their comments about people joining them or that they never forgive anybody for anything. I just see a lot of people replying to them with mockery or disdain and accusations and I honestly don't understand it at all.

Do you understand the difference between learning a lesson and apologizing and making bullshit excuses?

Because they are not the same thing and should not be treated as the same thing. If you don't want to accept the apology don't but don't act like you have some greater nobler understanding.

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