[ SECRET POST #2419 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2419 ⌋

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Notes:

Way early because taking dog to the vet. :c

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's been years since I read American Gods, what was it that happened to Laura again? I mostly remember her as a version of Eurydice who (in the end) got to say she did not want to return to life, rather than just have Shadow's mistake rob her of the chance.

[darkmanifest]

She died giving a blowjob to Shadow's best friend only to be accidentally resurrected by him as a rotting zombie who wandered around aimlessly, suffering in her unlife, until she redeemed herself by rescuing Shadow at the end. I get the intended metaphor, nd I get that she cheated, but that whole plotline read like someone extremely bitter at their female ex.

[(Anonymous)]

someone extremely bitter at their female ex

their female ex

female

I was with you right up until the end then. It's so very depressing to see someone try so hard to uphold feminist ideals and then fall apart under the weight of their own internalized bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure what you mean, anon. What's the problem with the commenter's phrasing? Maybe I, too, am falling victim to my own internalised bullshit, but I'm genuinely confused.

[(Anonymous)]

"Female" is a big fucking no-no. It's dehumanizing and offensive. This is not a new issue so I won't get into this in a big way, it's all online if you care to research it in more detail, but basically neckbeards and dudebros call women "Females"

[(Anonymous)]

Uh... right? Still quite confused. I can perhaps see that using the biological term could be a way of distancing oneself from the character as a person, but "female" has been around for a long time. It doesn't seem like it's being used in the animal sense here. Is there the same issue if one calls a man "male"?

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, using a standard English adjective for being a woman is somehow sexist and dehumanizing? I'm speechless. Please explain. What word would you prefer?

[poisonenvy]

Referring to people as just "Female" can be dehumanizing. Using female as an adjective is not.

[(Anonymous)]

When used as a noun, yes. Darkmanifest didn't use it as a noun; it was an adjective in that sentence. Thus, it wasn't reducing the ex (the sentence's noun) to a single trait, her femaleness; it was simply specifying one of the traits that she had.

[(Anonymous)]

I am female! OH GOD! I must have internalized misogyny!

My father is a male! OH LOOK THERE I GO AGAIN! Ahhh what's happening to meeeee!

I read an article the other day about male gaze and the objectification of the female body! OH THOSE POOR WOMEN TRYING SO HARD TO LIVE UP TO FEMINISM! THEY MUST REALLY BE STRUGGLING UNDER THE WEIGHT OF THEIR SELF-HATRED! How are they even still alive? Surely it must have crushed them by now!

[(Anonymous)]

I doubt you're really a woman. Possibly you're a very young woman, but more than likely you're a dudebro coming here to troll. If so, please die is the most painful and humiliating fashion you can imagine.

[(Anonymous)]

No.

No.

NO.

Even if you disagree with them, telling someone to die - especially in a comm like this, where many commenters have depression and anxiety issues - is never acceptable. You should have learned that in the playground, anon. Perhaps you should step away from your keyboard and breathe for a while; have a nice, calming drink of water while you're at it.

[(Anonymous)]

So.

You doubt that someone is a woman if that person says things that you don't like; and you think it's acceptable to tell someone, in all serious, to die if that person says things that you don't like.

Taking on the mantle of feminism doesn't give you leave to act like a shitty human being.

[darkmanifest]

Uh, not sure what you're mad about? But I'd like to hear it. I specified "female" because I've read very few stories where male characters are as ruthlessly punished for (often luridly described, as with Shadow's wife) sexual trespasses as women are.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm mad because you used "Female" as opposed to something a little less dehumanizing. You can not be new to this issue. Hell, some dickbeard comes along to this community every so often to troll people about how it.

Protip: "Women" are Human Females, "Females" are not human. "Females" are either animals or objects for dudebros to use.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude Human being, she was using it as an adjective. I agree using female as a noun is almost entirely the realm of assholes, but there's really no alternative to it as an adjective. I'm assuming you're either trolling or none too bright. Or possibly both.

[darkmanifest]

I used "female" as an adjective, not a noun, and not opposed to using "men" for male characters, which is the actual dehumanizing part of how sexists use it. Using "women characters" instead is grammatically incorrect, and using "human female characters" is just ridiculous. But you're a troll, and I'm all out of troll pellets.

[(Anonymous)]

Protip: "Women" are Human Females, "Females" are not human.

If "Females" are not "Human" than how can you have a "Human Female"?

[(Anonymous)]

Protip: female is an adjective, get over yourself, especially when you are WRONG.


*Feminist before you were born*

[(Anonymous)]

The use of "female" can be problematic. It is not always problematic.

You are taking an actual issue and transforming it into a bad parody of itself. If you truly do give a shit about feminism and aren't just a troll, stop it.

(I'm also amused by the implication in your protip that if the line had read "...human female ex," you'd be okay with it).

[(Anonymous)]

I have know idea why you're bent out of shape, anon, since female is an adjective and woman/lady is not. How would you recommend we describe the situation when it seems like someone is angry at their ex, specifically because of their treatment of women who might stand in for said ex?

Female ex. It's the quickest way.

[(Anonymous)]

Ex-wife, Ex-Grilfriend, Ex-partner, or simply Ex.

[(Anonymous)]

Jackson says he likes you! Would you like to like him? I could tell him for you. I could be the one who brings you together. You'll fall madly in love, for neither of you will ever have met someone so wonderful, and within three years' time you'll be taking your vows. And I'll be at your side, as your radiant Maid of Honor.

Not long after that, you'll begin speaking of children. Of course, you'll both first want to get settled in your careers, and you'll want to have gotten a house; you're both rather sensible sorts. But soon enough, you'll have reached a level of financial security commiserate with your familial goals and you'll begin the process of conceiving a child. Once the child is born, I'll be at your side, and you'll name me the little one's godmother.

Our schedules will be different enough that I'll be able to watch the child as you continue along your career path. You'll be able to accomplish all of your goals, secure in the knowledge that your pride and joy is safe and sound in the home of her or his godmother, receiving the absolute very best care. I will not have had a child of my own, of course, for then I could not devote myself to yours. And I do wish to devote myself to yours. I do so very wish it.

When the apple of your eye graduates from high school as valedictorian, I'll be there. I'll help her or him furnish her or his dorm room. I'll co-sign on her or his first loan. I'll be in the wedding party when she or he gets married. Just as I had been in yours, so many years ago! And her or his child will view me as an extra grandmother. I'll be a good one, I promise. I won't spoil the little one too badly.

So, what do you say? Shall I call him and set something up between you two? It could be truly beautiful indeed.

[greenvelvetcake]

I think that's doing Laura as a character a huge disservice. Both she and the best friend died in that car crash, not just her. She was one of my favorite characters in American Gods and a big component of the story, considering her actions at the end. She had her own arc about her own death and, to me, it never felt like the story was punishing her for straying while Shadow was in prison. That last bit is up for your own interpretation.

[darkmanifest]

You definitely took away something different from Laura's character arc than I did. To me, she felt like an awkward footnote to Shadow's story instead of having much of a story of her own. Even considering she was one of Gaiman's few female characters with her own perspective, she spent that perspective trying to...find menial work where people didn't notice she was dead. I'm still not sure what I was supposed to do with that. But it's entirely likely I missed something critical in my two readings of the book.