[ SECRET POST #2423 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2423 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Amanda Palmer]


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03.
[Breaking Bad]


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04.
[Free]


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05.
[Urdnot Wrex (Mass Effect)]


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06.
[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]


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07.
[My Chemical Romance]


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08.
[Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh]


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09.
[Twin Peaks, Audrey Horne and Agent Dale Cooper]


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10.
[Johnny Weir, American figure skater]


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11.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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12.
[Arrested Development]












Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 026 secrets from Secret Submission Post #346.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[kallanda_lee]

OMG, I literally wanted to post the same secret (though I guess I won't be now). Yes, yes, a million times yes.

I hate the whole fandom thing where "OMG if you hate Skylar you're a misogynist".

No, I hate Skylar because she acts in horrible, manipulative ways. I'd hate her if she was a he, too.

It was especially horrible to me, because my dad had just discovered he had cancer for a second time around the time I saw the first season, and there was a genuine possibility that if the doctors said chances were bad, he'd refuse treatment. And that would have been HIS choice, no matter how much it would have pained us. The way it was handled in Breaking Bad just made my skin crawl.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that Skyler is kind of a shitty person; the problem is where that turns into valorizing Walt, who is much worse.

[kallanda_lee]

I think that's sort of happens because Walt is written as the guy you're supposed to sympathize with. Personally I've only seen the first season, and I pretty much think they're all horrible people. The only one I don't want to punch in the face perpetually is his son. I can stand Walter, because at least it's interesting, even though he's an asshole. I want to watch more of the show, but I have a love-hate relationship with it, because I just cringe when any of the side characters get screen time.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair Walter does become a much worse person as the show goes on, although a lot of it he's effectively forced into until after a certain point.

That being said I agree that saying anyone who dislikes Skyler is a misogynist is overtly politically correct bullshit. It's like The Walking Dead fans who say people who dislike Michonne are racists. Fuck off.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought he was hideous to start with. I mean, you're a teacher who's probably watched kids/their families destroy themselves with drugs, and so you decide to make more of them. I was pretty much 'K buddy fuck you and this show' before I got through the first ep.

[augustbird]

i think the "if you hate skylar, you're [probably] a misogynist" argument originates from the later seasons

[(Anonymous)]

It's still a shitty argument even then.

[fauxkaren]

lol. It also originates because that's what the creator of the show actually said.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's sort of happens because Walt is written as the guy you're supposed to sympathize with

Wellll, not so much anymore. Last season even the creator said that he "lost all sympathy" for Walt and that he's basically reaching full on villain status.

[kallanda_lee]

I haven't seen the last season, but just because someone is written as a villain does not mean he can't also be written in a way that wants you to sympathize with him in some way.

Examples: Dexter is serial killer, even though one with a moral code, and he's written so you sympathize with him. So is Hannibal. So are several charterers in Boardwalk Empire, or The Sopranos, or the protagonists in GTA.

They are all villains, no matter how you twist or turn it - but through writing style they can become relatable characters. That's sort of the difference between fiction and reality: it's quite possible to root for a great bad guy in fiction.

[(Anonymous)]

Walt is only that way in the beginning of the show. The creator has stated that, while initially Walt is the hero, and sympathetic, eventually he just flat-out becomes a villain that you're supposed to be questioning whether or not you should root for.

So at this point, no, Walter is not a sympathetic character.

[(Anonymous)]

Meh, it's no different than the old lady who walked up to the guy playing the FBI agent on the Sopranos and told him to leave Tony Soprano alone (yes, this actually happened). Walt's the lead protagonist, the antihero, Skyler is the moral foil. Even if she's the "better" person it's still possible to root for Walt over her without being a mouthbreathing neckbeard.

[fauxkaren]

EVERYONE on this show is a bad person to some extent.

But the kind of hate Skyler gets thrown at her is pretty explicitly misogynistic.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah the crazy thing about this show...I do not like nor sympathize with anyone. Any shred of sentiment I had for Walt died with that fucking plant. I hate Skyler but not because of Walt, I hate Walt...and Skyler is trying but she just keeps fucking stuff up.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't get me wrong. They are BOTH terrible.

[(Anonymous)]

I felt the same way, too. I've had relatives diagnosed with cancer, and what treatment they wanted to have was-- and SHOULD be-- up to them. They're the ones who have to suffer through chemo and radiation, so how is it any of my business if they decide they just don't want to? I was kinda surprised that this issue doesn't come up more often in the fandom.

[kallanda_lee]

I'm not really active in the fandom, but that (and the whole family intervention thing) just made me instantly hate her. I'm indeed surprised if many people aren't bothered by it.

[(Anonymous)]

While, I would normally agree, selling meth instead of accepting money from his ex pretty much just tanked Walt's "sympathetic" card for me.

Meth's just such a fucking terrible drug - I just can't.

not in the fandom but

[(Anonymous)]

For me that attitude of the fandom bothers me because, welp think of it this way a character is being considered un-critcizeable because they're a woman.

Isn't that well kind of sexist in it's own way?

I dislike the idea that being a woman makes any criticism of a character "just bashing by those gross misogynists".

Also it gets a step closer to another sentiment I've seen that a woman can't face the consequences of their own actions that would misogyny" (*nods at the secret AAAAAAAAAAAAGES ago about how "calling Regina from Once Upon a Time a rapist is so groooooss and a sign of misogyny"*)

A character is not above criticism for being a woman. Now if the criticism is misogynistic in nature or the critic doesn't hold a man to the same standard THEN it's misogyny. If the "criticism" turns into creepy sexist bashing THEN it's misogyny.

But just disliking or criticizing a character who happens to be female...no.

Re: not in the fandom but

[fauxkaren]

Yeah, but if you go in the Skyler White tag on tumblr (like I do) 95% of the "criticism" towards her is just calling her a whore, cunt or bitch.

So....

They're not making a great case for Skyler haters not being misogynistic.

Re: not in the fandom but

[(Anonymous)]

That's true.

and yeah I agree that THAT is really awful. Then again I've just been on the Fuck Yeah Controversial Characters tumblr and come out with the conclusion that a lot of haters cite stupid reasons for hating characters.

Re: not in the fandom but

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah yeah yeah, but it's often HOW the otherwise valid criticism is done.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

That's true.

A possibly good point can be ruined by bad presentation. I see it ALL the time online.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS