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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-09-01 03:21 pm

[ SECRET POST #2434 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2434 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[A7X]


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03.
[Stargate Atlantis]


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04.
[Merlin]


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[Audrey Cooper, Twin Peaks]


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[Fire Emblem: Awakening]


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[Avril Lavigne, Tank Girl]


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08.
[Meet the Robinsons]


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[Blood+]


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[Monty Python's Flying Circus]


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[Valentine Morgenstern, The Mortal Instruments]


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otakugal15: (B/)

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

[personal profile] otakugal15 2013-09-01 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope. An agnostic won't believe one way or the other without proof.

I can't agree with Atheists cause we have no proof that God(s) don't exist. I can't agree with Theists cause we have no proof that God(s) exist.

Sorry, but no, hon.

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

(Anonymous) 2013-09-01 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
We don't have any proof anything doesn't exist, you can't prove a negative.

But I can guarantee you don't apply that logic to everything else in your life.

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

(Anonymous) 2013-09-01 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Statistics disagrees with you.

With the specific example of a higher being, however, we'd have to come up with some set rules for what a God requires, though, and then prove those don't exist. It's the first part that's difficult, not the second.

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

(Anonymous) 2013-09-01 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
That's not what atheism is. An atheist doesn't claim to know that gods don't exist; they simply do not extend their belief to the claim that gods DO exist. Knowledge and belief are different things. Most atheists are also agnostic. You can be both.
otakugal15: (B/)

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

[personal profile] otakugal15 2013-09-01 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Then they aren't Atheist. They're plain Agnostic.

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

(Anonymous) 2013-09-01 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope. They assert no belief that gods exist. They abstain from theism. That makes them atheists. You don't need to claim certain knowledge that gods don't exist in order to be an atheist.

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

(Anonymous) 2013-09-02 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
No... that's not true. You can be an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist. Belief has nothing to do with the knowledge. An agnostic is someone who doesn't claim to know--basically 90% of the planet, including lots of devoted believers. Surveys show the VAST majority of atheists are agnostic atheists.

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

(Anonymous) 2013-09-02 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
You can be both, sure, but some atheists are not both. They say point-blank that it's a fact that supernatural forces don't exist because [insert various reasons]. Those are the people - usually the loudest versions, on the internet in particular - agnostics might be trying to differentiate themselves from.

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2013-09-02 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
You can be both, sure, but some atheists are not both. They say point-blank that it's a fact that supernatural forces don't exist because [insert various reasons]. Those are the people - usually the loudest versions, on the internet in particular - agnostics might be trying to differentiate themselves from.

Nope. So-called gnostic atheists and New Atheists (who are currently most vocal) are two different things. New Atheists tend to take the pragmatic position after Russell that in the absence of proof, disbelief is the most reasonable position.

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2013-09-02 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
Someone is ignorant of almost all atheist and theist writing on the issue of proof over the last century.

(Anonymous) 2013-09-02 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
Someone else has got way too much time on their hands if they ARE well-versed in such an esoteric subject, and is incredibly full of themselves to boot. F!S ≠ academia.

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2013-09-02 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
The beliefs of people you are talking to are hardly "esoteric." If you're clueless about those beliefs, you could, I don't know, ask a question or do a basic google search.
otakugal15: (B/)

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

[personal profile] otakugal15 2013-09-02 09:54 am (UTC)(link)
*shakes head* Jesus fucking christ. Not everyone subscribes by YOUR definition. I go by mine, someone else goes by theirs.

Fuck off, you fucking asshole.

We have enough religion wank between the various Theists.

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

(Anonymous) 2013-09-02 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
Except definitions of words are not like opinions...you don't get to have your own.

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2013-09-02 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, especially when your own beliefs involve fibbing about entire groups.
otakugal15: (fucks)

Re: Did you parents ever think you were gay (when you weren't)

[personal profile] otakugal15 2013-09-04 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
In this instance? Yes. You do.

Cause when it comes to religion, the definition changes all the fucking time.