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fandomsecrets2013-09-02 06:49 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2435 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2435 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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The same Base Plot can be re-told over and over, but the Story won't be the same.
That's NOT THE SAME THING as basing your entire story off someone else's published story.
I don't care if you change names, and remove some elements. You wouldn't have thought of it if it wasn't for that other story.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 02:37 am (UTC)(link)Are you like that woman who declared that Obama was a communist and then couldn't say what a communist was?
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 02:46 am (UTC)(link)You're a sad, stupid little fuck so devoid of creative thought that your best is a child's joke.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 02:50 am (UTC)(link)Excuse after excuse after excuse.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 02:41 am (UTC)(link)So? People do riffs from fairy tales all the time. Hell, I have one myself. If it wasn't for the fairy tale, and the shared culture that everyone knows wrapped around the thing, I never would have thought of it, and I probably wouldn't have been able to sell it. But sell it I did, and for a pretty penny too.
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I've lost all hope for intelligent replies.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 02:55 am (UTC)(link)no subject
This is why there's an over abundance of LRRH stories, Cinderella, and so on.
It's entirely different from basing a story off, say, Harry Potter, and expecting to earn money from it. That doesn't impede people from writing about magic, wizards, so on. Because those elements are already part of our culture, too.
Better?
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 04:10 am (UTC)(link)But, at the same time, I can riff an idea from Buffy the Vampire Slayer about, say, a vampire war involving primitive vampires, and it would still be mine, even if it wouldn't exist without me having seen the show.
Everything riffs on something else, and ideas come from everywhere. As long as the writer takes it and makes it theirs, it doesn't matter where the original nugget came from. Or even if you're ripping elements out wholesale that you might not have thought of on your own. It's all about putting Character and Plot and Setting and Idea together in its own way--there are a billion configurations of "two brothers fight monsters" or "spaceship crew trying to make a living under an oppressive government" or "magic suddenly exists and tech doesn't work."
It's all in the execution.
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She was inspired by Babylon 5.
You probably would realise it though.
Then again, I will likely never write fic about her, let alone original fic.
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Elements and Base Plots existed long before Buffy did.
If you want to write a Buffy rip off where you change her name and personality, replace vampires with aliens, and expect to get paid, well that's shitty.
Something else entirely is to come up with your own character, your own elements (derivatives), your own take on a Base Plot... That's proper world building and acceptable.
Things can influence you, but something is to be influenced and another thing is to pretend you came up with something when all you did was change names.
It has been good. See you on next secret batch.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)If you want to write a Buffy rip off where you change her name and personality, replace vampires with aliens, and expect to get paid, well that's shitty.
If I do that, it's not Buffy anymore. "Monster hunting" is the base plot, if you go far enough back, and why does it matter if my tall dark male alien hunter came from me going "Huh, Buffy is kind of neat, let me do this with that instead" or if it came from the "Monster hunter base plot"? That's not a simple name change, that's an entire world change.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-03 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)That's right, did you hear that Marvel? DC? Stop it right the hell now! Elementary cease production right this second, you too Sherlock, and Joss don't make me come over there! And who do you think you are, Akira Kurosawa, ripping off Shakespeare like that!
Well, considering West Side Story and a legion of others, he probably thinks that he's in pretty good company.
The problem with EL James isn't that's how she did it, it's that she did it badly. Cassandra Clare's isn't that she did it badly (though, yes, she did) it's that she plagiarized, bullied, and downright terrorized some people in the process.
Deep down, for most writers, I think there's a universal fear. It's not that someone will steal our babies and mistreat them. It's that someone will look at what we've created, sweated and bled over, and not only think "I could do it better" but turn around and actually do so.
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