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Ahh, nostalgia
But I was one of the most vocal opponents when he started the first "games". It was hard on the artists, and more annoyingly, he didn't honor some of the votes. If you are going to have people literally pay to put in an option and that option gets voted on, seems to reason that's what you go with. Not making a page lecturing the people on why that was a bad choice.
I got thrown out on a technicality but it's obvious he was just waiting to toss me as I'd not only annoyed him personally but was disagreeing with him in the forums. It was a bitch move, honestly. I could have respected "I don't like you talking shit about me, you're gone" a lot more then "you can't hyperlink like that it's in the rules, you're gone" (this was the days when bandwidth was smaller numbers).
4chan invaded you for a reason Kern. And it wasn't me. But I laughed really really hard.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-05 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)I liked the themes in the original. It was different. Now, it just seems so... lifeless. Like it's missing the spark it had. Like it's any other interchangeable generic fantasy tale, except coated in a thin layer of pretty anime~desu brown elf paint.
I remember not too long ago, Kirt pulled the pulled out an entire site game that I think people even paid for, because they were playing competitively, not cooperatively. I'm not talking about botting or anything else. They just... didn't play the game the way he wanted them to. So he swept it up from under their feet, and threatened to ban anyone he caught playing it that way, ever again.
I remember I was one of the ones with a dissenting opinion to the reboot. I like the reboot, but it's just not the same. So I calmly stated nostalgic feelings for the old. Nothing mean, mind you, just an opinion. Apparently you're not allowed to do that, because I got bitched out for being "ungrateful for all the hard work" put into the reboot.
Ugh. I haven't really participated much, if at all, on the forums since then. I don't even want to fucking bother.
I remember I also frequented the general chat part of the forums, before those got swept out, too, because apparently people can't chitchat and socialize about anything that ISN'T Drowtales. God forbid people make friends and not be praising the ground Kern walks on at absolutely all times in his presence. Even though the subject of the comic was frequently brought up and casually discussed, even in the chat forum.
It's all just super annoying, and I don't want to stop reading the comic for it. I enjoy the comic. But this guy's attitude IS. SHIT.
Re: Ahh, nostalgia
(Anonymous) 2013-09-06 01:17 am (UTC)(link)Re: Ahh, nostalgia
(Anonymous) 2013-09-07 08:59 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2013-09-05 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)When I showed him the sketch he whined and complained "How come your character looks like your character and mine doesn't look a thing like mine?! I don't like it! Change this and this and this!"
Might I remind you I asked to draw it. It wasn't a trade, or a commission, or a request on his behalf.
This was about 10 years ago. I never finished the fucking drawing.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-06 12:08 am (UTC)(link)And god forbid you seriously try to criticize any of his art.
Secret 6 - Drowtales
I hate the controlling "Can't disagree with me it's my baby you GET THE FUCK OUT" attitude the author has.
If you liked the first version better than the reboot, you're "ungrateful." If you don't like that the art's gotten lazier, you're "shallow." If you play the site games in a way that he doesn't like, you're "toxic." (Also, laughing out loud, say goodbye to those games because we can't have that.) If you question or criticize his decisions for any reason, you're just a "troll."
His art has gotten a bigger fanbase over the years, and he needs to understand that, as a creator of a product (that he does indeed make a living from), you can't just expect everyone to kiss your ass and share all of your opinions. This is your fucking JOB, now. Not Deviantart. Man up. It's not just your personal project, anymore. You are selling something. So don't treat your customers and potential customers like shit.
Secret because you can't criticize Kern. Not around him, and not to other Drowtales fans.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-06 12:50 am (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2013-09-06 05:13 am (UTC)(link)Sometimes I just like to listen to other people voicing the same issues I've noticed in things.
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-06 05:46 am (UTC)(link)Too much shit going on at once. Too little development before each break. I don't even know who or what is going to Felde, at this point. Or anywhere else.
Discussion of flaws, eh? You got it.
Honestly, the biggest flaw for me is the art. Now, it's pretty and full of detail, and for a static image it looks fine. Mostly. All the characters still have the exact same face and sometimes faces are drawn pretty badly, but it's servicable.
But the comic is full of action and my god, the characters could not look any more stiff and wooden if they were posable action figures. There's no sense of motion or flow between panels, and none of the dramatic fighting scenes have any weight. There's a lot of drama and horror going on in this story and the art cannot convey it properly to save its life, and that's a damn shame when there's so much cool fighting going on.
Not to mention that the panels and speech bubbles are a mess. If you need to color-code speech bubbles so you can tell who the hell is talking, you have serious layout problems. There's some pages where there's a dozen panels crammed together that you have no idea what order you're supposed to read them, and who's talking in what order, and some bubble tags stretched waaaay across the panel.
Honestly, I think thse guys need to read up on how to draw comics. They seem to think that if you can draw a static image then you have all the skills you need, but you don't. I would much rather have a comic that's not as prettily covered if they can add some LIFE to the people in it.
TL;DR - Good art doesn't make a good comic if don't know how to draw comics.
Re: Discussion of flaws, eh? You got it.
(Anonymous) 2013-09-06 08:34 am (UTC)(link)And you have a huge point about how while the art is pretty nice (though just having read through some of the newest stuff, the anatomy of characters at times is rather spotty, and sometimes scale goes out the window... thinking about it, I don't think the character art has actually improved much at all since the reboot. It just adopted a prettier coloring style? Though even with that it seems to oscillate between having gorgeous backgrounds and having backgrounds that just look really lazy... This is way too long of an aside, I BLAME IT BEING 5AM.) that there are a lot of problems with it as a comic.
I mean compared to something like Unsounded, which is practically perfect when it comes to being a comic, it's just like... geez. And not something that I've noticed any improvement for, either.
Comparing it to Unsounded, though, that reminds me though. During my quick catch-up tonight, I noticed this page: http://www.drowtales.com/mainarchive.php?sid=9567 where they do a page-breaking layout. Which is visually interesting and all but... also incredibly pointless? Like. Why are you breaking page for this particular owl which doesn't seem to have any importance to the story or the page or anything? Now, Unsounded also has its moments of breaking page (and beyond) but it generally does it for impact and emphasis of what's occurring on the page, especially when magic is involved (examples: http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch03/ch03_46.html and http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch04/ch04_73.html and http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch05/ch05_18.html and http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch05/ch05_30.html and and <3). I guess it follows the old wisdom of how you need to know and understand the rules before you can break them.
(I have a huge artist crush on Unsounded, okay? I swear it's one of the most perfectly constructed webcomics out there, and just like the sequence that starts on this page (warning: gore) http://www.casualvillain.com/Unsounded/comic/ch07/ch07_28.html is just so amazing and makes the greatest use out of its format as a webcomic and just. woghwoghwog. It's late, I should ramble less and sleep more.)
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(Anonymous) 2013-09-07 05:23 am (UTC)(link)