[ SECRET POST #2440 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2440 ⌋

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Comments

I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

Someone willing to explain?

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

The pig is covered in political slogans and symbols of oppression, one of which is a Star of David, I'm pretty certain that's what the OP is disgusted by.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

NA

I don't think most of those are actual political slogans? And I've never seen the crossed hammers before, either. I can see how OP would object to the inclusion of the Star of David, though.

It certainly makes more sense than my previous theory that OP just thought the inflatable pig was gross in and of itself.

Re: I don't get it

[vethica]

I think the crossed hammers are a symbol originating with Pink Floyd? I seem to recall seeing them in a clip of The Wall.

Re: I don't get it

[anarchicq]

The crossed hammers are from the Pink Floyd album THE WALL. So it's a fictional symbol of oppression.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

They're not, they're within the context of The Wall live show and the crossed hammers are in the film as well and used by the Neo-Nazi style characters in lieu of a swastika.

The implication of the inclusion of the Star of David is pretty clear in the show, especially since Waters has said things in the past to indicate he's fairly anti-Zionist.

Re: I don't get it

[kamino_neko]

Pink Floyd, and Roger Waters solo, commonly use inflatable pigs in their shows. This one is from a Roger Waters concert earlier this year. He included a Star of David among the symbols of oppression (like the Shell logo, the swastika-like and definitely facist within the context of The Wall crossed hammers insignia). His stated reason was to protest the actions of Israel in Palestine. But, as the Star of David is a symbol of Judaism as a whole, not just Israel, that's not the message he ended up sending (I don't know enough about the man to know whether he's an anti-semite or not, but it was a ham-handed choice, in any case).

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

Personally(and this is the first time I've seen this particular piggy, and I know YMMV and all.) I read the Star Of David to be a symbol of the oppressed, not oppression. Especially since it's right below "What's wrong with people?"

But that's just one interpretation.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. Rogers himself said it's there to protest "Israel’s racist domestic and foreign policies".

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=821392

Which is a little like me painting a star and crescent on a bomb-shaped balloon and claim I'm protesting Turkey's lack of freedom of speech.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

But... Israel has racist domestic and foreign policies.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

Be that as it may, he should have been a bit more circumspect about using the symbol of an entire religion/people to protest the policies of one nation's government. It was a poorly thought out protest.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

And Turkey has a severe lack of freedom of speech. However, when one wants to protest a country, it's common to use the country's flag to do so, not the symbol of the religion that happens to be the most common in it.

Especially when that association has very well known anti Semitic roots.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

but the Israeli flag pretty much is the Star of David

I mean, on some level, it's not like the state of Israel is discouraging the identification of itself with the religion

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think a religion should be identified with a country's policies unless both the religion and the country have agreed to it.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

So you object to the state of Israel using the Star of David as part of its flag?

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

It's a star of david with two stripes, last time I cheacked.

But some Jews don't associate themselves and Israel? And just because a religion and a country are associated it makes it okay? Plus, Jews have been accused before of having part in world-domination conspiracies. It was just done in bad taste.

Re: I don't get it

[thaurfea]

It's got stripes too.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

What country doesn't?

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Ah, Word Of God then. I take back what I said.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

Judaism is oppressive as fuq to women tho

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

So's almost every religion.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

And many atheist communities, for that matter. Crap is everywhere.

Re: I don't get it

[(Anonymous)]

And there are plenty of flavors of Judaism that aren't oppressive as fuck to women. Again, using the Star of David which is a representative of the Jewish religion and culture as a whole to protest the actions of the government of Israel was a clumsy move.

The Jewish people are not some giant monolith that all share the same viewpoints and politics or even agree on all religious tenants, suggesting that it's so, is anti-Semitic.

Re: I don't get it

[diet_poison]

The Torah is oppressive as fuck to women. Most modern Jews are not - at least not any more than most. In fact I think they're more progressive than many other communities.

(Disclaimer: this is based on experience in the US - might be different in other places)

Re: I don't get it

[thaurfea]

Lol, ham-handed.

Also the fact that it's, you know, a pig, and putting a Star of David on a pig at all, even if the rest of the symbols on it were nice things...just, no.