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Well, in WTNV there are plenty of assholes who like to just reblog people's art telling them stuff like, 'Carlos is not white'. Like this tumblr. http://carlosisnotwhite.tumblr.com/tagged/carlos-the-scientist Apparently "dark skinned" means you must be as black as night (even though dark skinned can be anything from Halle Berry to Djimon Hounsou). Some of them are just fucking stupid like:

This one http://media.tumblr.com/c45b9727a883cbbeddf18124b579ca34/tumblr_msjhlc6cis1sqeo9yo1_1280.png
This one with the caption "It took me a minute to realize that I seemed to have drawn Will Graham when I was actually trying to figure out what my headcanon for Carlos was." (like WTF it is a B&W sketch) http://media.tumblr.com/8f6542127b0514b8ddeac0299d5833f8/tumblr_ms82b8zysS1rb4d9qo1_1280.jpg
THIS ONE?????!??!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! http://media.tumblr.com/b4fac959d52914f9b0c52039eb8e9062/tumblr_ms322bAhyL1s2cm0jo1_400.gif
And this one (to name a few) http://media.tumblr.com/3fcdf5d30bf8382ea668e943857635e0/tumblr_mrkd7i2GMv1qf5cimo1_1280.jpg

While I do personally think the last one kind of misses the mark a bit, the other instances are foolish. Again, the blog gets some things wrong, but there isn't a polite way to go "Your canon drawing is too light". The person is about as bland as one can be.

Yeah. I disagree on a few points (white people can be "dark skinned," check out southern Italy) but there doesn't seem to be any kind of bullying here beyond a single reblog.

The stupidest thing? Carlos isn't even explicitly described as dark-skinned. I listened to the episode in question the other day, and the line is "dark, delicate-skinned Carlos". His skin is delicate, and he as a whole is dark. A word which when applied to a person can mean a whole range of things, up to and including a light-skinned person with dark hair. =_______=;; tl;dr sjws

REALLY? What episode is it in? I want to hear this for myself. Because so many people quote it as "dark skinned".

I believe it's 16. Give me a minute and I can check.

e: It is 16, and I'm sorry, I misquoted slightly. In the interest of accuracy, the line is "Carlos, the dark, delicate-skinned scientist".

Edited 2013-09-08 20:42 (UTC)

Hah. Hell, dark could be based on his attitude, how he acts, the fact no one knows about him, his hair, his eyes, OR his skin color. But of course it must be skin color and dark must mean at least #785C50. I wonder how light skinned Hispanics feel when they see that Carlos of their skin color is consider white.

That honestly sounds like reaching, for a lack of a better word, to complain about people, but thanks to Cecil's love of flowery language, it's just confusing.

It's a lot to base yelling at people over their headcanons for, though.

I got no problem with any depictions of carlos (though we do know his hair color) but I also stay away from the non-art parts of the fandom.

I picture him as hispanic because his name is Carlos and he's in the southwest US, so... yeah. That's a place you'd tan.

I mean acting like it's capital-c Canon is dumb but that's probably what they meant by dark in that sentence.

Edited 2013-09-08 22:01 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I see him as dark-skinned and Hispanic too. That's not a problem. A problem is when you start calling people racist because their headcanon isn't the same as yours.

I picture him as the grown up version of Carlos from The Magic Schoolbus.

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Hell, he's never even explicitly described as Hispanic. The people insisting he can't be white are doing so based only on his name.

Thank you - that's what I was remembering, but was too afraid to ask. "Dark" as a general descriptor is pretty ambiguous and I've seen it used to mean dark skin or just dark hair and eyes.

I've seen a lot of the SJW-types citing the creators stating somewhere that Carlos is a POC. If it's true, it gives them a little more credibility.

Still, I'm so tired of the rage.

I think those people are referring to this:

It was interesting how everyone was drawing Carlos as white until the first person put it together that someone named Carlos who was living in the Southwest probably wasn't and drew him that way. Then it shifted and I haven't seen a white version of Carlos since. - Joseph Fink (maxnmona)

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3493679&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=14

Which is ambiguous wording, but I think you could argue that "put it together" = "got it right."

It didn't even occur to me that the name "Carlos" might be a hint about ethnicity. It just registers as "general name" to me.

That still leaves a pretty wide range for skin tones, though, so it's still a pretty stupid thing for people to get up in arms about.

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Same, Carlos is...such a general name it didn't even register it's meant to be ethnic-specific.

It may not strictly be canon that Carlos is a POC but I think making him white is by far more worthy of the side-eye than defaulting Cecil to white.

I'm mostly baffled at the reblogged black and white pictures. The person obviously draws the same face irrespective of race/gender. How can you tell in an uncoloured picture???

GodDAMN I want to throttle the owner of that tumblr. They're being such a sanctimonious smug little asshole acting like they're correcting ignorant artists but a huge amount of them are actually trying to portray Carlos as dark-skinned. Just apparently not dark ENOUGH, because even giving him a tan skin color that's darker than anyone else in the picture still counts as 'white'.

And this is after many people have pointed out over and over that there is no one 'shade' that a Latino has to be, because THEY'RE a light-skinned Latino, but apparently that's not good enough either.

Whoever runs that blog gives the impression that if you don't draw Carlos looking like a gross racial caricature you're drawing him as a white dude.

And ffs, they keep flipping shit over headcanons. Way to dictate what people can see in their own mind about a character. People should be able to imagine whoever and however they want as their version of Carlos without someone making a dismissive post about it every time.

I love how they're too chicken shit to enable anonymous asks, it's like they know they'd be eaten alive by people with actual sense. It's a shame, because I'd love to ask how in the world they use pictures colored in sepia/B&W/purple toned as an example of the artist white washing.

I always think "The moron who keeps this tumblr has no fucking clue about art" whenever they post a black-and-white picture, sketch or a picture where the ambient light colours the skin of the character (or when the artist clearly didn't have the right colours/technique to properly colour the skin in the case of traditional art).

I also find it incredibly racist to say "Only a certain shade of brown is dark enough, anyone else is not a POC" - especially when it's only based on a misquote.

I opt for making Carlos a Drow. Maybe then he'll be dark enough.

I actually saw one person criticize an artist of whitewashing when the artist themselves was Mexican, and so had drawn Carlos with their own skintone. Just amazing.

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