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⌈ Secret Post #2470 ⌋

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[Homestuck, Teen Wolf, Supernatural and Sherlock]

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[Supernatural]

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[Watashi ga motenai no wa dou kangaetemo omaera ga warui]

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[Agents of SHIELD]

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[Sleepy Hollow]

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[Fullmetal Alchemist]

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[World of Warcraft]

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[Pacific Rim]

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[Richard III in "The White Queen"]

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Yeah I've always found the whole bechdel test to be stupid.

MRA's with small peni tend to think that

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It's spelled "whoa," not "woah."

counterpoint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0YGCEDpfU&t=52s

(not actually a counterpoint)

Ugh...either trolling or you're just an idiot.

Maybe they find the Bechedel test stupid because it can be so damn flawed when ti comes to good female characters. Like for the point the OP brought up.

Maybe some people may not like it because there could be a so much BETTER test for individual independent female characters. Personally I'd like THIS test that the secret brought up because it's closer to the kind of thing I want to see.

Not only are you making a sweeping assumption about what the person is saying (that imo seems silly given the point made in the secret. This person is more likely to be agreeing with it) but you're resorting to petty ad hominem attacks the very moment you hear something you don't like.

If you're a troll, that is a really weak blatant attempt. If you're not, grow up.

This is a lovely comment and you should feel good about posting it.

Thanks.

I wish some people online would actually wait and maybe ask questions to start a discussion rather than going "OMG MRA MUST INSULT" right off the bat. try to get the whole picture, you know?

It's just the usual SJW troll. She comes around here every so often and is all "EW MEN SUCK LAWL". Just ignore her.

That ignores the actual point of the Bechdel test though. It's not made to measure whether or not a work contains good female characters. The point of the Bechdel test is to point out just how many works actually fail such a basic requirement.

Like, two female characters having a conversation about something other than men should be such a basic tier thing for a work to achieve when 50% of the population is female... and yet there are so many works that don't manage it!

It's a criticism of the entertainment industry as a whole rather than something that should be leveled against individual works to decide its quality.

Yes! And thank you! That's how I'd always imagined it working. It's constantly used to mesure something it wasn't made to, and then people whine and complain at the results. I mean how can we be surprised that it's not working, when we use it at the opposite way we should?

This. THIS. It's basically saying "Did the characters put their pants on correctly, or are they hopping around with both legs in one pantsleg, or backwards, or upside down?" It's not a measure of genius, it's did they get a very basic aspect of reality (that women exist and interact) horribly, moronically wrong? It's a measure of how badly flawed a movie has to be to fail, and how many still manage to fail.

lol, I don't even have one.

Penes.

And clitorides!

Can you not.

can u go back to tumblr and in the meantime can you also stop a) setting back feminism by making them all look like the stereotypical man-hating beasts that everyone thinks they are, and b) contributing to mens' problematic gender norms and body image issues by attributing an opinion you don't like to having a specific body trait?

thank u ^u^

Well, maybe not the Bechdel test, but how all-important it has become to certain sections of fandom. The Bechdel test did do something to raise awareness of a problem, but failing it does not automatically turn a great movie into a shit movie.

I think that's the main issues. It's a good starting point but it shouldn't be the be all and end all of judging how a work treats female characters.

The "test" was really a joke from a comic strip.

The point isn't passing an arbitrary test. The point is to point out how few movies have multiple fully realized female characters.

Yeah, but a lot of people get pissed off if you point this out to them. I hate how the Bechdel test has become the be-all end-all feminism litmus test in some circles. Some of the shittiest, most un-feminist movies ever made have technically passed the test. (Case in point: the 2009 Star Trek film.)

Yes, but thankfully, you do not need to listen to people who don't understand how feminist criticism works.

I don't think either of the new Trek pass the Bechdel test, actually.

I don't remember any female characters in Star Trek except Uhura and her roommate, whose only conversation is about the roommate's bringing men home constantly, and while Into Darkness gave Carol a large role, I don't think she and Uhura (again, the only female characters in the movie, aside from a few random backgrounders) actually interacted. I'm not sure they were ever even in the same room.

Uhura and Gaila (the roommate) talk about Uhura's work in the lab. It's a technical pass, not a good one.

Exactly. It's pointing out that even a basic, blunt criteria like this FAILS most of the time, and that is mostly invisible and SHOCKING. It's a wake up call to do better. The characters AREN'T saying anything that passes this test is great.

Ahh memories, this was one of my favourite comics at uni.

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