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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-10-09 06:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2472 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2472 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Whitechapel]


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[Hannibal]


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[Bartender]


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[WTNV]


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[Agents of SHIELD]


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[Agents of SHIELD]


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[kill la kill]


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[Gravity]


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[Revenge]


















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iceyred: By singlestar1990 (Default)

[personal profile] iceyred 2013-10-09 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I find her to be an obnoxious Mary-Sue. What do you like about her?
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[personal profile] fauxkaren 2013-10-09 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol. "Mary Sue". Yeah ok.

I think Skye is a perfectly fine protagonist and I think there is some interesting potential in her backstory.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-10 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
She's a gorgeous super-hacker in her early 20s and nearly all of the men on the team have fallen for her, she has a mysterious background and, despite living in a van in an alley, has top of the line clothes and always looks absolutely stunning. Plus she's so ~smart~, ~witty~ and ~charming~!
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[personal profile] fauxkaren 2013-10-10 04:43 am (UTC)(link)


And the scientists AREN'T Mary Sues for being good looking super geniuses?

And Melinda May isn't a Mary Sue for being a gorgeous woman who can kick ass and fly a plane?

Come the fuck on.

The term "Mary Sue" is meaningless bullshit and basically ends up translating to "female character I don't like".

(Anonymous) 2013-10-10 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
i love you.
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[personal profile] bringreligiontothewamwams 2013-10-10 10:22 am (UTC)(link)
The science bunnies and the agents have all had special training and education to be what they are Skye gets her gifts by creator fiat not through having the character work for them (even if the Science Bunnies and the Agents only have lip service paid towards them working for their achievements through the bad writing). That is what makes her a Mary Sue.
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[personal profile] fauxkaren 2013-10-10 03:39 pm (UTC)(link)
You keep talking but all I'm hearing is "Waaaaah! Female character I don't like! Waaaah! Mary Sue!"
iceyred: By singlestar1990 (Default)

[personal profile] iceyred 2013-10-10 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
The term 'Mary Sue' means poorly written female character. Being pretty and smart do make a character bad. Being unrealistically pretty and not really acting smart (I'm like super good at computers lol nerds should luv me im so smart) make a character even more eyeroll worthy.

Most martial artists work out and May has the time and money to take care of herself. It's not a surprise that she's hot, nor is it unrealistic.

Team Science Bunnies are more cute than drop dead gorgeous, but again they have the time and money to keep themselves put together.
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[personal profile] fauxkaren 2013-10-10 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)


You're right.

They should talk about how Skye went to computer hacking school, like all computer hackers do in real life.

JFC, you're just grasping at straws, reaching for excuses to hate Skye ("she's too pretty and well groomed for someone living in a van") in a universe were SUPER HEROES EXIST.

If you want realism, you've come to the wrong show.

Go back to watching National Geographic.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-10 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't hate her just because she's pretty and supposed to be smart. I also hate her because of her speech in episode two about how great it is that people are coming together to fight against their govt. it sounded like a sociology professor's wet dream and reminded mr of the bullshit that social justice warriors like to blather on tumblr.

I'm not up on my computer science credentials, but it seems like its a discipline that would take a lot of hard work and instruction. I really doubt that its something that just comes to a lot of people.

Yeah it does have superheroes. The one they showed us in the pilot behaved believably for a person in his situation and circumstances. If I had gotten laid off after an injury and someone offered me an opportunity to make me stronger and give me superpowers I might act in the same way. I really doubt that most homeless pseudo anarchists act like manic pixie dream girls. Superhero dude didn't break my suspension of disbelief because he was a better character.

I'll continue watching the show, thanks. It's cute in its own right and I'm enjoying it for what it is.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-09 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
obnoxious is the perfect word for her.
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[personal profile] hwc 2013-10-09 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I think they fixed that really well in the last episode. A lot of things that annoyed me about her (or the whole "plot" of the pilot) were corrected.

I don't want to get into details in case you haven't seen it.
iceyred: By singlestar1990 (Default)

[personal profile] iceyred 2013-10-10 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
I just finished watching it. She's got an angsty past, sooper speshul computer science powers, and she's an amazing field agent on her first undercover mission. She's a Mary Sue.

She gets credit for quick thinking and learning. She did remember how to disarm the guy and got away pretty quick.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-10 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Everyone has a special past and special powers and are amazing agents. That's the whole team. Why does she get the special hate?
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[personal profile] iceyred 2013-10-10 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
Because she gets the spotlight and the narrative that tells us over and over how awesome she is. Team Nerd might be the same, but they're not shoved in my face every other scene so they don't get the hate.
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[personal profile] hwc 2013-10-10 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but the whole 'truth serum' thing was likely a hoax and I'm not convinced that her sooper spheshul computer science powers are all that super special, given that Ward had already all the info she offered to get into from SHIELD files.

How was she an amazing field agent on her first try? She got busted and she only got in because of her Rising Tide connections. Yeah, she scraped by when she was made but it didn't seem as though she actually had a plan aside from "don't get killed" and she certainly couldn't sell the bad guy the idea that she's playing SHIELD instead of the other way around.

As for the angsty past;: so do Ward and May, and Coulson might not even actually be Coulson. One, it's their world is based on comics where everyone has a tragic past and two, the characters were created by Whedon.

Based on only the pilot I would have agreed with you, but since then they toned the Sue-ness down and started giving the characters depth, which is why I personally think that just yelling Sue is unfair at this point.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-10 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
Not to mention lives in a van, yet is ridiculously put together. I know they're all attractive but come on. Muss her hair. Put some glasses on her. At least pretend.
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[personal profile] bringreligiontothewamwams 2013-10-10 10:26 am (UTC)(link)
If they'd at least introduced her up to her elbows in oil, grease, or yuck as she tried to fix the engine on her van after it had crapped out due to her, well, due to her living in a van with no visible means of support and presumably not being able to fix the van. Perhaps even have her having greasy hair and a grotty hat too. Yes, she can look DDG after being given a shower on the Smug-Jet, but they should have introduced her as having looked as if she lived in a van. Hell, she isn't even as realistic as Penny the suspiciously well dressed and groomed for a part-time waitress and broke actress in TBBT.