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First of all, risk involves major joint swelling, seizures, and partial paralysis. I have seen all of these personally as a result of vaccination.

As for the rest, you are what terrifies me about the US nowadays. You use the worst possible examples to justify not allowing parents to have rights in raising their kids. It's people like you who get kids pulled away from loving families because their parents decide to homeschool or spank once in a while. I don't know how old you are, but I grew up when the government was grabbing kids left and right for the smallest things. I lived in fear of being taken away from my parents because they chose not to subject me to radical surgery for an issue that resolved itself.

You believe that the village should be raising the child? I've seen the village and I'm keeping my kids the hell away.

"major joint swelling, seizures, and partial paralysis"

Know what is worse than all that?

Death.

Which is more likely to occur?

Because of shitty people like you (if you are OP), the death!

Actually, no.

My brother had an allergic reaction to the Pertussis vaccine back when it was a live vaccine. He had infantile spasms that graduated to seizures that lasted from the time he was six months until he was five years old.

He is now 30 years old, 5'10" and 160lbs. with the mind of a three year old. He has tantrums like a three year old (which leads to holes in the walls and broken furniture). He needs 24/7 care. He can't dress himself. He can't talk. He can't wipe his own butt.

I love him and adore him and I wouldn't trade him for anything, but I can't imagine living like that.

You were supervising all these vaccinations and therefor know for sure that all these risks were happening? Wow!

One happened to muy sister, which is why I'm unvaccinated. One happened to the children of a close friend whose children had seizures every time after being vaccinated. And it was definitely the vaccinations because the mother kept going in and getting them more shots, and seizures would follow only then. The third I admit was more hearsay, but I went to a small school and EVERYBODY knew that the polio vaccine had paralyzed a girl there. She didn't suddenly stop being able to walk for no reason.

So all of all the plenty cases and risks you were speaking of you only know 2.
And what EVERYBODY thinks is not necessary the truth. Especially if it's hearsay.

I have a friend who did have polio and is sitting in a wheelchair - I think I prefer joint swelling or seizures to sitting in a wheelchair.

Your sister might've been allergic. But autism, epilepsy, and a variety of other diseases or developmental issues show up around the time that children start getting vaccinations. Just because they happen within the same time frame doesn't mean that one induced the other.

And EVERYBODY knowing a thing doesn't make it true.

This so much!!
In a small village also EVERYBODY knows (through hearsay) that the neighbour did this and that and the most amazing stories can emerge at the end.

When I read all this I'm really happy that homeschooling and spanking kids is forbidden in my country. I especially love the "loving family and the spanking once a while" in one sentence.

1. I feel sorry for the children of your country who can't be homeschooled. There are a lot of kids going through hell right now when they shouldn't have to be.

2. I always use the same example when it comes to a spanking argument. A kid takes the thimble of a blind tailor and puts it into a fire until it's nice and hot, then leaves it where the tailor can reach for it. This actually happened. Once. Because when his folks heard about it he got the spanking of a lifetime and learned that that was not something anyone should do.

I'm happy that is isn't allowed (as in many other countries) and I would not trust a parent (if he/she isn't a trained teacher in all the relevant school subjects) to teach the children all the required things (especially in the higher classes with difficult subject matter).
For example: to study at universities here you are required to have learned two foreign languages for the majority of the uni courses.
When you are homeschooled and your parents can't teach you a foreign language what do you do then?

It's forbidden in my country too!

Homeschooling wouldn't really work here because you probably wouldn't get a job without the official school certificates - also the foreign languages are a MUST too here, especially if you want a better paying/"higher" job. Fluent English is pretty much the standard and at least another foreign language is more than welcome/often requirement in certain jobs.

(I'm not the anon you replied to)

Just so you know, I was homeschooled and I turned out OK, as did all the other homeschooled people I know. For some kids homeschooing is actually much better than public school.

I will agree with you that spanking is horrible, though. And also the anon you're replying to is coming off as a total jerk.

Eh. When a bunch of people are calling me an idiotic monstrous horrible person, being seen as a jerk does not bother me too much.

No one used the words 'idiotic', 'monstrous', or 'horrible' person at all or in reference to you except you.

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Homeschooling is no better or worse than any other form of education, in my opinion. The homeschooled girl I knew when I was a kid exceptionally smart, and though her mother was a strict Christian, she seemed to want her kids to be well-rounded and was accepting of me, a godless heathen. Then you have people who do a shitty job of it. It depends on why they're homeschooling, and the education they themselves have. I'm not sure I'd want to live in a place where that wasn't allowed.

Homeschooling is a crap-shoot. Sometimes, it's amazing and the kid really benefits from it. Other times, it's code for "playing basketball all day." A lot of the kids I've seen that were homeschooled were a least 1 to 2 years behind in their subjects but I've seen some that were a year or two ahead. The problem is that it really depends on the kid's parents... and a lot of them just aren't capable of teaching their kids.

The problem with the word "spanking" is that the definition varies so wildly between users. It could mean a swat but it might be a beating.

You might be referring to unschooling, which can be surprisingly effective if done right. That's where you let kids do what they want and read a lot. Sometimes it means playing basketball all day.

As for how they keep up with other kids there ages: that's one of the main reasons homeschooling exists. So that kids don't have to all fit into one pre-described standard. I mean, some kids just can't read until their 10 but nothing's really wrong with them. In school they get left behind and labeled special needs. At home they learn visually or orally and when they learn, they learn. No pressure.

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Homeschooling really depends on the situation and the reasoning behind it.

I was only homeschooled after I was threatened with a gun at school and the administration did nothing about it. It was right around the time of Columbine and a couple of other school shootings, and I was scared to death. Of course, if that happened now I'm sure it'd be a huge deal and the kid who did it would've been expelled immediately but for reasons I still can't figure out, they refused to take any disciplinary action against him whatsoever. At the time my mom thought homeschooling was the best alternative, and we turned out fine. My brother and I both went on to college and have good jobs now.

Maybe I'll piss a few people off saying this, but in my experience when homeschooling is an issue it's because religion is involved. My parents didn't take us out of school to shelter us from society or keep us from interacting with people who didn't share their views, they took us out of school because they were worried about our safety. We still had friends, went to social events, always scored at least a grade or two ahead when we'd take the annual tests required by the state, and I got to graduate early at 16.

So homeschooling can work out really well in some cases. I do completely agree about spanking, though. There's no justification for physically striking another person in my opinion.

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Parents actually have a great many rights in raising their kids and it's really hard for the state to take a kid away from his/her parents. No one is taken away for "the smallest things" - although those "small things" may have been the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. Kids aren't taken away for being home-schooled, they are taken away sometimes for being "spanked".

Medical issues are trickier. If it's a matter of judgement, it's unlikely to happen. Id a kid has something like cancer and needs chemo to survive, that child should be given the necessary treatment to survive, even if that means taking the kid from his/her (usually unreasonably religious) parents. (Seriously. St. Jude's, for example, will care for and treat a child with impoverished parents. Cancer treatments for adults, however, are harder to come by.)

And yeah, I genuinely and whole-heartedly believe that there are situations in which children need to be taken from their birth parents. And shouting, cursing, unkind (and usually illogical) implications about me or my personal life, or threats won't change my mind on that.

Oh my God, you sound like one of these fanatical religious people who try to cure cancer with praying and imposition of hands.

(Backs fast away...)

Hey! That was what occurred to me too! *points at the comment above yours* See?

Great minds.

Great minds indeed!

Always reminds me of the Jehovah's Witnesses (i.e. they're not allowed to have blood donation etc.)

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