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⌈ Secret Post #2479 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

When I tried to give the show a chance this was pretty much my problem with it. That and the Christianity. I thought it was more broad supernatural stuff, not straight up Christian universe. And yeah, a lot of the conservative stuff is kind of subtle and it's not hardcore ultra conservative, but I agree that at the core values of the show it's a very conservative values and universe.

[(Anonymous)]

? But it's not really a Christian show. It has creatures from other cultures and the way it treats Christianity would be described as sacrilegious by any more conservative Christians.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously, this. Its pretty much mocking every religion imaginable at this point. It takes ideas from various mythologies, puts them together and completely changes them. Yes, it covers more Christian/Jewish/Muslim mythology than anything else, but it is just as mocking towards them as anything else.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I'm not actually that bothered by it, so for me the problem isn't the way it portrays Christianity as the fact that the Judeo-Christian storylines are the ones that have taken over. I get that it's a common point of reference for a lot of people, but since they'd dabbled elsewhere I was really disappointed once that became the biggest part of the overall mythos. :(

[(Anonymous)]

THIS.

I was so excited at first because the focus was on urban legends (Bloody Mary!), mystery-based ghost stories, etc, and have gotten more and more discouraged now that it's an endless slog of demon, angel, heaven, hell, blah.

(Which was a lot of the reason I was so eager to check out Sleepy Hollow, to be honest, and I facepalmed when they brought in the bible in the very first episode. Oh well. At least that one's still having fun.)

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I agree with you and the above anon. It was awesome when it focused on urban legends and folklore that doesn't get much exposure on supernatural shows. When it started focusing on Christianity, that went out the window and I slowly lost interest. Tbh the only angel I liked was Zachariah and I stopped watching he died. He was such a magnificent bastard.

At least Sleepy Hollow was upfront from the start about it incoporating Christian mythos.

[fingalsanteater]

There are gods from other religions and cultures in the show. Also, they kind of explain why the Christian God and Christian mythology is most prominent.

[(Anonymous)]

DA but curious, what explanation do they give? I used to be a huge fan of the show, but I quit watching when it got all preachy.

[fingalsanteater]

I don't know if they actually "give" an explanation. But, what I got from the various encounters with other gods is that the old gods are pretty weak because no one really worships them anymore. They are kind of hiding out.

Christianity is the prominent religion in the US (where the show takes place), so that religion and the elements of it is going to be the most prominent because God has power there.

I've never noticed it to get preachy? It's not saying to be a Christian. In fact, religion is treated pretty cavalier. God is dick. Angels are fallible and also dicks. Lucifer isn't even in charge of Hell anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

I have a lot of unhappy childhood memories of church, so I wanted to avoid the reminders.

[(Anonymous)]

what I got from the various encounters with other gods is that the old gods are pretty weak because no one really worships them anymore. They are kind of hiding out.

This. Also, they point out that it's the Christian apocalypse which is why the angels and other Christian religious figures tend to take center stage. (The other gods, btw, are pissed about this and tend to argue that their own apocalypses are much more important and who do these jerks think they are?)

[tabaqui]

Uh, there have been gods of all kinds on the show. Christianity is just one aspect of the Supernatural universe.

[anonymouslyyours]

There has kind of been a vibe of the one true god being the Christian god and the other gods playing at being gods and in that one ep a lot of pagan gods were easily defeated by an angel. But it been a long time since I watched the show and at no point would I ever argue it's even suggestive of Christian propaganda or whatever.

[tabaqui]

In the show, they basically explained that the other gods weren't as strong because they didn't have the number of believers that the Xian god/mythos did, so they didn't have as much powers.

Which, you know, wrong for Kali, but right for, say, Odin and random tree-fertility-sacrificial pagan deities. So belief=power, and Lucifer has every Xian believing in him *plus* every angel and ever demon, so, he has a lot of power. Not many people believe in or worship Loki anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not even Christian though - there's no Christ. God is a deadbeat dad who abandoned his creation. Angels are dicks. Hell, even Paradise Lost had more to do with figuring out the mythology than the Bible did.

They're using Judeo-Christianity the way it should be used: as a mythology, a set of stories and ideas that can be played with - not an actuality.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. Literally the only mention to Jesus is the toast line. Cas does call him the Son of God there, but it was pretty clearly a joke line. I don't think anything can be read into that. Mostly the show just uses various mythologies. It uses Judeo-Christian more, but it mocks it all.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, it was stated early in the series that the word Christo would harm demons, though they never mentioned it again AFAIK. The old pagan Yule deity couple groused about that new kid Jesus getting all the attention. And Castiel did mention the prophet Luke.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, the whole 'humanity evolved from a fish Castiel didn't step on'.

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that evolution happened (as part of the "big plans" the older angel mentioned) doesn't automatically mean that Jesus didn't exist.

[(Anonymous)]

bingo.

[(Anonymous)]

Christian mythology does get privileged over other mythology in that that god gets to be the "real" god. On the other hand, the message it sends about the Christian god is that He's not only not controlling the way the world goes but actively slacking off because he doesn't want the responsibility. Also angels are arrogant assholes and organized religion ranges from ineffective to patsies of the asshole angels.

So, it's not supportive of Christianity. But since the Christian god does get to be the "real" god, I can see how the Christianity could annoy you. The imbalance annoys me.

I don't believe Supernatural is deliberately being subtly conservative because I have extremely limited faith in their ability to deliberately be subtle. It's not sophisticated.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, a lot of the mythology used on the show is more Jewish in origin. If anything, I'd say Jewish and Christian mythology get equally privileged.

[(Anonymous)]

Check your God privilege. Needs more Anubis.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a Christian show. It's a show that uses Abrahamic religion themed myths and supernatural creatures. There is a difference.

Like you wouldn't call Indiana Jones and The Lost Ark a Judeo-Christian movie because it had the Ark of the Covenant in it? Of course not. It's an action adventure movies that uses Judeo-Christian myths as part of a plot line. But there is no deep religious message to the movie.

Same with Supernatural. There is no deep religious message to the show. The myths are used because they are familiar tropes to tell a story.

[darkmanifest]

Yeah, I gotta agree, its mythology has been extremely centered around Christianity since, what, Season 4, and I've disliked it - it was much cooler when we didn't know for a fact what hierarchy demons operated under or where human souls went after true death. I did like the fact that Death itself not only didn't give a damn about angels and demons and Lucifer and God and all that bullshit, but suggested that he was too busy with entire other worlds to care about the end of one measly old Earth. The implication being that God and angels are only the big honcho of this one planet, and not remotely a big deal on a universal scale.