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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-10-17 06:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2480 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2480 ⌋

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[personal profile] maverickz3r0 2013-10-17 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm torn.

On the one hand, yes, friendship is great. And stories about great friendships are just as epic and uplifting as great romances, perhaps moreso since they're accessible to more people.

On the other-hand, I'm sort of...uncomfortable...with the fact only male same-sex couples are here. There are loads of male-male friendships in media right now, so why don't we get some with two women, or a man and a woman? There's a couple shows that have that out there right now, but not a lot. I'm not accusing you of homophobia, OP, because you're working with the examples that are out there, more commenting on the media themselves.

Because while the fandoms do slash goggles things a lot, in the actual source material m-f friendships still have an unfortunate tendency to develop into romance frequently, as if two people who have the potential capacity to be attracted to each other and work together for a long while inevitably will get together. Which is slightly more of a thing to the world in general than slash goggles are. (And good luck finding good f-f friendships outside of things that are typically considered 'for kids.')

tl;dr: I basically agree but would like a bit more diversity in the friendships than just the two guys sets.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-17 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Because shipping a het couple is given and has a higher rate of becoming canon (Most people don't accuse someone of having "ship goggles" for example because there's always a chance)

and no one cares about femslash enough to complain about it.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-17 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
* het goggles
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[personal profile] inkdust 2013-10-17 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed! Another vote for many and diverse friendships over here.

OP:

(Anonymous) 2013-10-17 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I wasn't trying to exclude anyone really, I actually DESPISE the 'a girl and guy become friends only to hook up later on' trope, but that's just really fucking common in media and general (not just fandom) it's just that even the most 'accepting' fans can't see a close, emotional male-male friendship without thinking they want to put their dicks in each other.

Re: OP:

(Anonymous) 2013-10-17 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
btw, this ^ reply was directed towards maverickz3r0

Re: OP:

(Anonymous) 2013-10-18 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Except not? You've had lots of people agreeing with you in this secret that they like seeing good friendship between two guys stay just that. Close friendships are great. Close friendships are wonderful. Close friendships have helped me a lot in my life.

But I don't mind people writing close friends as lovers and exploring that. In my current fandom one male character is said to "complete and correct" another male character. I write them as best friends anytime I write them. I've also written things where they're in a romantic relationship. I like to read both interpretations. Both are, I think, valid. The most stable relationships, in my experience, start out as friendships. So if fandom is given two main characters who are very close and get by far the most screentime, as in several of the couples shown... I can't blame them.

There should be more of a variety of friendship shown in media, as others have said. One thing I love about Elementary is the close male-female relationship without sexual undertones. But it starts to sound a little off to me when you say "even the most accepting fans won't say that there's no possibility these guys want to get involved romantically".

I'd say the most accepting fans would be those who say they could be friends, they could be lovers, both are awesome and let's live and let live and all read and write what we like. Like, you know, the vast majority of responses to your secret have been doing.

(Anonymous) 2013-10-18 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
(And good luck finding good f-f friendships outside of things that are typically considered 'for kids.')

+1 to all of this comment but especially to this.
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[personal profile] caterfree10 2013-10-25 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
This is how I feel too. Like, 99.9% of the time I see the "THEY CAN BE JUST FRIENDS TOO" argument is with m/m relationships (the other .1% was Zutara - but that's a whole other can of worms uvu), so I can't help but cringe at that argument bc I've gotten this knee jerk reaction to it. I mean, yes there IS a shitton of shipping in fandom and friendships aren't explored nearly so often, but at the same time, I can't help but be wary whenever I see that argument. :/