[ SECRET POST #2480 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2480 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.


__________________________________________________



02.


__________________________________________________



03.


__________________________________________________



04.


__________________________________________________



05.


__________________________________________________



06.
(Sabrina the Teenage Witch)


__________________________________________________



07.
[The Blacklist]


__________________________________________________



08.
[Vampire: the Masquerade- Bloodlines]


















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 009 secrets from Secret Submission Post #354.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/QmDJxmT.png?2?6646

[kallanda_lee]

I do agree somewhat. I do think that in fandom, by both het or slash fans, romantic relationships are often placed over good friendships - and I think great friendships are a great and important thi, especially in media aimed at younger audiences.

And some people do have their slash goggles permanently on.

But then, I find shipping to be harmless, unless you get those crazy fans who insists you're just blind to the fact their couple of choice is truly, deeply in luv!

[kaijinscendre]

I feel you anon. I get so fucking mad sometimes because it is hard to find good deep friendship fic. Yes, I get it John&Sherlock/Castiel&Dean/Loki&Tony(or Thor)/Stiles&Everyone are super hot together and the subtext is totally obvious, but god forbid they be in a fic together without making out.

[silverr]

Yup, yup and yup.

Also: Not seeing a particular deep friendship as "only" [sic] a friendship does not automatically make you a homophobe.

[(Anonymous)]

I like me some friendship fic but romance is better

[darkmanifest]

I don't think anybody's saying that every time two dudes are close, they must want to dick each other. It's more like when two dudes are close (or straight-up co-dependent), there's nothing wrong with the suggestion that they might want to dick each other and it's kind of bizarre to act like The Dirty Gay ruins the beauty of male relationships or something. Interpreting a tight male/female friendship as romantic doesn't produce nearly the same level of "I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALA" panic as applying the same perspective to two dudes.

That said, the fandom backlash of "if you can't see the clear vibrating lust between these two friends you must be either blind or homophobic" isn't remotely right, either. There is no power in this universe that will make me get Sterek or Destiel, and it's damn sure not because my slash goggles are loose.

[maverickz3r0]

I'm torn.

On the one hand, yes, friendship is great. And stories about great friendships are just as epic and uplifting as great romances, perhaps moreso since they're accessible to more people.

On the other-hand, I'm sort of...uncomfortable...with the fact only male same-sex couples are here. There are loads of male-male friendships in media right now, so why don't we get some with two women, or a man and a woman? There's a couple shows that have that out there right now, but not a lot. I'm not accusing you of homophobia, OP, because you're working with the examples that are out there, more commenting on the media themselves.

Because while the fandoms do slash goggles things a lot, in the actual source material m-f friendships still have an unfortunate tendency to develop into romance frequently, as if two people who have the potential capacity to be attracted to each other and work together for a long while inevitably will get together. Which is slightly more of a thing to the world in general than slash goggles are. (And good luck finding good f-f friendships outside of things that are typically considered 'for kids.')

tl;dr: I basically agree but would like a bit more diversity in the friendships than just the two guys sets.

[(Anonymous)]

Boooooooring.

We've had this wank so many times in the past, don't you people ever get sick of it?

[(Anonymous)]

Slashers are evil.

[(Anonymous)]

On a vaguely related note the book I just read has a particularly great friendship in it! The Lies of Locke Lamora, containing touching relationships where I did not expect to find them.

[(Anonymous)]

*sigggggghhhhhh*

I just want girl friendship stories. I don't even care if they go lesbo or not.

[(Anonymous)]

See, though, the problem with that is that it's not like it's the same fans interpreting relationships as potentially romantic across all fandoms. In any fandom, you'll have some people who ship A/B, some who ship B/C, and some who ship A/C, so it will LOOK like people ship everything under the sun even when it's different people shipping different things.

Most people don't ship every single best friend pair in every single fandom they're in, so your argument there is by default kind of flawed. They might ship a best friend pairing in one fandom and the canon ship in another. Fandom is not a hivemind and I really don't understand why so many people seem to think it is.

[(Anonymous)]

Sherlock actually does the no homo thing and I find it pretty fucking insulting. (not necessarily the characters but it's clearly a gag on the show)

[(Anonymous)]

so when is tv gay going to include lesbians?

[littlestbirds]

This is a good opinion.

But I wouldn't get worked up about it. They're doing it because they want to see romance everywhere. As along as they're not claiming you're homophobic if you don't think Remus and Sirius are in love, it doesn't bother me.

[(Anonymous)]

I tend to value friendships more than romantic relationships in my canon, but the way I look at it the canon already covers the male/male friendship aspect pretty well and is still often reluctant to consider a potential romantic angle between two male main characters particularly in genre shows even when it makes sense so I'm fine with fandom taking up the reins. Some fandoms may be a bit top heavy in favour of slash (and it is only some), but until canon gets better at that aspect I'm not going to complain too much about fandom being the place where people get to do that.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

I feel you, OP. Accepting that a slash ship isn't actually canon doesn't have to change what's going on in your fandom spaces.

But that still does not undo The Gay that is Merlin/Arthur. They have a borderline homoromantic relationship and that's OK. Doesn't need to be any dick involved for that. My best friend and I have one and we're still simply friends. The writers of 'Merlin' are notorious for the queerbaiting, but even aside from that have said that the two love each other deeply. Doesn't mean they have to fuck. It just means they love each other deeply. (Though truth be told, the fact that the writers had to turn Gwen into a female version of Merlin in order to build their Arthur/Gwen storyline is telling. Both about the nature of the relationship they'd written for Merlin and Arthur up until that point and about their writing skills >.<)

A homoromantic love for a friend doesn't change the friendship or make it somehow 'less than.' I see Sherlock/John as seriously homoromantic (it's one-sided canon anyway) but I don't have any desire to see them shag or even kiss. I won't lie if I didn't say the thought of Destiel sexytimes didn't turn my crank but honestly? The UST feeds my soul in that particular ship LOL

[(Anonymous)]

I completely agree, but what I find funny is that Sirius and Remus weren't even THAT close. Out of the Marauders they were the ones who got along the least. It still amazes me that the fandom didn't jump on Sirius/James considering by everyone's account they were basically emotionally codependent and attached at the hip. I think it was completely platonic but the way people do tend to jump on any close friendship to ship it, you'd think THAT would've been the one people latched onto.

[intrigueing]

Totally feel you, OP. It's not that I don't love slash (I LOVE it), or that I wish people would stop writing slash (why would I ever do that?).

I just wish there was more really great intense strongly emotional/epic/fun/angsty stories that are just gen/friendship as well.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, it doesn't bother me, Shippers gonna ship. I'd like more gen too (of all types, including more male/female friendship fic) but people like shipping, so of course characters who interact closely will end up shipped. Personally, the 'no homo' thing bothers me more when it's used in canon. I'd like to see a strong male friendship in canon where the writers do not at any point feel the need to be constantly point out how totally not in gay love they are.

Though I do hate when slash writers act as if they are somehow being totes progressive and just trying to give representation don'cha know because of course they were all queer kids who just wanted to see someone like them in fiction and that's why they're writing slash, reallys, not because yay hot guys. And their ship should become canon because that would be so progressive and it's totally a coincidence that this would also validate their preferred ship (I'm thinking of some Sterek shippers I've seen on Tumblr talk about how it would be so amazing to have the ship become canon and have a queer couple represented in canon and I'm like "Um...you know there actually is a canon gay character in your show, right?" If you don't like him you don't have to write him, but don't pretend he doesn't exist because he's not the white cock you're looking for.)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a huge slash fan, I've heard this argument many times (not directed at me, but in general), and it always seems to miss the mark for me. I'm perfectly aware that male friendship exists, and that's beautiful, because well, friendship is beautiful. When I ship something, it's not because OMG THEY HUGGED ZOMGZ GAY, but because I think it'd be interesting to interpret that relationship in a romantic way. Because it's fun to play with that possibility. And also, being able to appreciate friendship IRL has nothing to do with preferring romance in fiction.

[(Anonymous)]

Here's an idea: everyone who desires more platonic male friendship in fandom, sit down and write a gen fic for a pairing of your choice. Oh wait, you can't because you're too busy fangirling over that one slash ship that's totally the exception. Too bad everyone else has an exception and they're just as bad as you.

I'm aware fandom is overwhelmingly obsessed with shipping, but really, what have the people who keep asking for platonic stuff done lately to remedy this? It's your problem. Why wait around for others to come around? I mean, when someone ships a rare pairing that has no fanwork, they might, shocker, have to knuckle down and create it themselves. Go find minds who alike and start your own platonic fandom corner, because frankly, this holier-than-thou attitude is annoying as balls when it never seems to be accompanied by any proactive effort.

[electromouse]

On the one hand, I understand. On the other hand, I read slash fics because I know that the two best friends are never gonna be holding hands, go on a date, and be canon, so I go for fanfics because I wanna read about them getting together.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against friendships, but I already have a lot of m/m friendships in canon. I just want too see the guy getting together with the other guy.

[fuchsiascreams]

I tend to agree with you.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh God, I can't even begin to second this enough. I am SO, so, sosososo sick of slashing everything. Assuming close male friends are automatically gay cripples male emotional intimacy, I think--it sexualizes men and objectifies them. I kind of detest the word bromance but I see the need for it--because people DO think there's something weird about men being friends. That's ridiculous! The solution is not to sexualize male intimacy, it's to normalize it. Just, no. Sirius/Remus especially ick me out--canon says they are straight (Remus marries and fathers a child, for God's sake) and there's something so creepy, so smarmily "I know you better than you know yourself" about pushing them into each other's arms. If you want more LGBTQ representation in pop culture then yes, I agree more of that should be written. But most slash has nothing whatsoever to do with that worthy goal--it's just a kink, a means to objectify, just as when guys push girls together to kiss at parties, that has nothing to do with true lesbianism.

Not to mention Sirius was much closer friends with James than with Remus!