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⌈ Secret Post #2481 ⌋

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Sure, not shipping any of these pairings doesn't make a person racist or sexist. However, if I see someone who ships more than a couple of pairings and they are all white males? I start to wonder about their views on race and gender. Especially if their reasons for not shipping the female characters and/or PoC are always along the lines of "they obviously have no chemistry", "the other characters are not well written", "that actress is bad", etc. If only the white male characters are well-written, well-acted, and have chemistry in your (general "you") mind, it does make me wonder.

Like the person on my flist who was arguing this same point about shipping preferences meaning nothing about them being sexist (also works for racist, though) whose ships were Kirk/Bones & Kirk/Spock (ST:2009), Shawn/Lassiter (Psych), Derek/Stiles (Teen Wolf), Sherlock/John (BBC Sherlock), Steve/Danny (Hawaii 5-0), and Tony/Steve (MCU). I'm not saying that person is racist or sexist, but...

That would absolutely depend on the fandom, though. Some fandoms don't actually have a POC shipping option - which sucks, but I'm not going to create a POC OC just to calm your paranoid little nerves.

Ayrt

Did you see the examples I gave at all? For ST: 2009, ther's Uhura. For Psych, there is Juliet (female) and Gus (PoC), for MCU there is Rhodey (PoC) and Pepper (female). I don't watch Teen Wolf, so I'm not 100% sure, but I think the female characters are Lydia and Allison and there are several PoC (I think the main character, Scott, is a PoC?) I don't watch Hawaii 5-0, but I know that there is an Asian female and an Asian male on it, because the actors were almost enough to make me watch the show. (I'm less sold on the last one leading to viable shipping options, as I don't know anything about the show. I've watched the earlier ones, so I know those have viable alternative shipping options and I've heard though Fandom Secrets that there are viable shipping options other than Derek/Stiles.)

And, as I said in the secret, it also depends on their reasoning. If someone doesn't wish to ship Uhura with anyone (I'm not saying they have to ship the canon ship, but actually shipping no one with her) because the character embodies a particular trope that they hate or because the character reminds them of a friend they had who screwed them over or something, or even that one character just rubs them the wrong way, I don't generally think anything of it. If the person only has white male/white male ships despite there being both women and PoC in their fandoms and the excuses are because those characters don't have chemistry with anyone, are boring, aren't written well, or the actors are bad, I think it might (not always, but might) be an indicator of some issues. And not just, necessarily with the person in question, but also fandom at large. I mean, Clint/Coulson (two white guys) is a huge ship despite them never sharing the screen and having one short conversation over radios. Yet those same people will often say that they can't ship another pairing (generally talking about a pairing with a woman, but given how little Rhodey is shipped, I think it could apply for race too) because of writing or chemistry. There is definitely a preference for white guy/white guy ships.

Although, that being said, if someone watches only media that contains white males, I might question that as well, depending on what it is. (Especially because the vast majority of all genres of media tend to include at least a few women and PoC.) Only watching say BBC Sherlock, Supernatural, uh and other shows that only have white guys in the lead which I can't come up with because every show I can think of has at least one woman and/or PoC in the main cast would make me wonder why someone couldn't consume and enjoy shows with women and/or PoC in main roles.

Did I say you had to create a PoC OC to calm my nerves? No. I just said I would wonder if someone shipping only white guy/white guy ships had some issues with sexism or racism. Maybe they would; maybe they wouldn't. Frankly, your overly defensive response seems over the top to me.

... The only one who goes OTT here is you.

"I just said I would wonder if someone shipping only white guy/white guy ships had some issues with sexism or racism. Maybe they would; maybe they wouldn't."

So maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't? Well how about you actually decide that "well, it's probably my imagination and they are neither racist nor sexist" - at least until you get some real proof that they are and which is not "they don't ship what I want them to ship" instead of ~wondering~ whether shipping preferences have anything to say about a person on the internet whom you no nothing about?

But what? Do you really think you can extrapolate on how a person views minorities in RL based on fandom shipping preferences? What on earth does it matter what someone ships in fandom anyway? It's FANDOM. It's just a hobby. (Or that's how I see it, anyway)

Ayrt

It doesn't necessarily matter. As I said above, it would just make me wonder, not be enough for me to declare someone sexist or racist and avoid them entirely.

However, yes, I do think someone's views regarding fandom can carry over to their RL views. Hobbies are an indicator of our mind-sets, our personalities. I would think that if you were told about six people whose hobbies were marathon running, golf, watching Nascar, acting in community productions, hunting, and reading/writing poetry, that you would have an idea of their personalities just based off their hobbies alone. It may or may not be an accurate indicator of their personality, but it would give you an idea. Just as I wouldn't know that someone with only white guy/white guy ships has issues with women or PoC, but it would give me an idea about it and I would wonder.

...I think you might be reaching here. There's a difference between people shipping a bunch of slash pairings and people shipping slash only because the people are white and male. Fans preferring slash/het/femslash is nothing new, and frankly? Your lower comments seem to imply that we should just take the POC bone thrown our way and run with it, regardless of whether or not we like the character. And even if we do like the character, it doesn't mean we have to ship them.

People have preferences that have nothing to do with racism or sexism. Deal with it.

So you're basically giving everyone who doesn't ship the way you think they should the side eye, just like the secret said. Nice.

DA

If only the white male characters are well-written, well-acted, and have chemistry in your (general "you") mind, it does make me wonder.

Completely agree with this.

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