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Can't speak for the others, but in my case it's the constant negative experiences (disruptive or violent begging, pickpocketing, burglaries, etc..) from the romani traveling all over Europe. Yes, everyone knows that they are treated badly, but I don't exactly want them in my neighborhood either, when their whole culture seems to be based on crime and not giving a fuck about anything. Ever seen a parking lot or a camping site where they've been?

But anon.

A nomadic community with no stable jobs, education systems, police, or health systems is completely sustainable without crime or terrible outcomes because??

Hell if people want to leave that community it's easy because??

Edited 2013-10-20 20:18 (UTC)

na

I don't understand what you're saying?

^this. Like, there's this country (with little ethnic diversity) I spent a considerable amount of time in, and then there's this ethnic community in another country. The quality of life in the first country is okay-ish (or at least used to be, seeing as the political side of the issue is becoming increasingly creepy), the situation with the ethnic community in the second country is rather problematic.

The difference? Clear as a day.

The problem is that they can't live that way anymore. A nomadic community outside of the main society was a realistic way of life a long time ago, but not in the current world.

There are romani in the Western Europe who have settled down, gone to school and decided to live among the main society. The Eastern Europe should be forced to provide for their romani community the same opportunities, so that they can stop traveling. But the romani can't cling to a lifestyle that just doesn't exist or work anymore.

Romani have left the caravan and went on to have productive lives before. They have gone to places like America and Canada. It's when they don't want to settle down or they want to take over a place and keep their way of life as business as usual that their neighbors have a problem with. Instead of when in Rome do as the Romans do, the want everyone to do what they do and except them warts and all without ever once adapting. That's counter-productive.

but even if you think that the romani culture and lifestyle is untenable, that's not in any way a justification for the kind of racism that gets passed around about them

The problem is bad shit really does happen when they are around. So pratically, you dont' want them around you. Why would you?

Re: Reading article on that kid that got kidnapped by the romani

bringreligiontothewamwams - 2013-10-20 22:56 (UTC) - Expand

"Can't speak for the others, but in my case it's the constant negative experiences (disruptive or violent begging, muggings, burglaries, etc...) from the African-Americans living all over America. Yes, everyone knows that they are treated badly, but I don't exactly want them in my neighborhood either, when their whole culture seems to be based on crime and not giving a fuck about anything. Ever seen a housing development where they've been?"

But no, tell me more about how racism is totally different and not a problem when Europeans do it even though you're using the exact same fucking arguments!

"When Europeans"

Fucking mad as hell/10, legitimately trolled.

Of course you show up to defend your own people even when they're blatantly wrong.

Re: Reading article on that kid that got kidnapped by the romani

ill_omened - 2013-10-21 15:47 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Reading article on that kid that got kidnapped by the romani

bringreligiontothewamwams - 2013-10-21 22:40 (UTC) - Expand

If it's part of traditional African American culture to not ever even try to get a job and integrate with the society, or allow their kids go to school instead of marrying their daughters to old men at the age of 14 and sending their sons out on the streets to beg for money; and every time an African American tries to get a stable job and send their kids to school they get ostracised and casted out of the African American community, then my heart goes to all other Americans for having to deal with this shit.

But even then it would be the fault of white Americans for forcibly bringing them to their country in the first place, which is definitely not the case for Romanis in Europe. When a guest comes to your house and doesn't respect your rules, doesn't let their kids play with yours, refuses to help you around the house and just freeloads asking to be fed, how can you be blamed for being pissed?

But it still needs to be remembered that Europeans don't exactly try to encourage Romanis to change their lifestyle and it would be hard for them to overcome prejudice even if they wanted to change their ways, so it's really a hopeless situation.

This.

The majority of people who get angry at the stereotyping of Romani have never had to deal with them. If they did they would understand. Instead, the people who get upset are most likely from the other side of the globe in places like America and Canada, where if they do run into a Romani, that Romani usually has broken from the fold and has gone on to live on with the rest of society. These Romani are the exception and not the rule.

I honestly don't want to just keep copy-pasting posts from people talking about the Romani and replacing the terms to be about racism against African-Americans.

So I'll just ask: what would you say if an American who was racist, and who was trying to justify their racism, said that you just didn't understand? If they said that if you had to deal with African-Americans you would understand, that you're only getting upset because you live halfway across the world and you don't know what African-Americans are really like, and when you meet an African-American it's one who is exceptional and who has broken from the fold, and that racism is a perfectly ordinary reaction to dealing with African-Americans?

Would you seriously be like "Oh, yeah, that makes total sense"?

Romani =/= Africa-Americans. If you believe that, that only proves that you have never had experiences with Romani.

The majority of African-Americans want to make an honest dollar, want to obey the law, don't want to cheat and steal. They want their children to be better off than they are. They adapt to the changes of society. They want to trust their neighbors. They don't purposely isolate themselves.

Completely different cultures. Not equivalent.

The comparison would be more accurate if you'd replace "African-Americans" with "professionally led African-American criminal gangs".

There is a vast difference between race and culture. African American is exclusively a race (or part of one, dunno why Americans can't just use the same term as the rest of the world). Romani is primarily a culture. Being born a particular race won't make someone a criminal. Being raised in a culture where theft and destruction are the norm will make someone a criminal. Romani who choose to live by the laws of the places where they live instead of Romani laws and practices are usually cast out.

And yet, when a woman says "I was assaulted by a man once, so I'm very anxious around men now", most people would say "yeah, I can understand that".

People from other parts of the world cry about how awful Irish Travellers have it when they've never interacted with them.

Hotels often ban Traveller weddings for a reason, violence tends to break out at weddings and the venue is trashed. Traveller kids vandalised a greenhouse at my college causing several thousand euros worth of damage but the Gardai refuse to do anything because they're fucking Travellers.
The Travellers at the local halting site are racist towards the African asylum seekers who live nearby.
They slut shame non-Traveller women and harp on about how pure their women are.

A Traveller terrorises elderly people living in isolation and ends up getting shot dead, but it's racism that the person who shot him got four years in jail.
According to them it's racism if a Traveller gets a harsh prison sentence for raping an elderly woman

Its true, they are thieving bastards. The roma that aren't thieving bastards all merged with society and are indistinguishable from anyone else. The travelers, roma and irish alike, are just people who like thieving and fighting and use this mythical ethnicity to justify it. They do steal "pretty" kids to help them with their begging and them sell them on to the sex slave industry when they get too old to be good for begging. Just this time they picked a kid that looked too obviously different to the supposed parents and got caught out.

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling.

Not this time.

If you read the news about her, you'd know that she was found begging. The couple who had her keep making up different stories as to where they got her from (They aren't related to her at all). She had dyed hair and can NOT speak any Roma/Greek. They also have been getting a shit ton of money for children that didn't even exist (Four of them were born ten months ago. How anyone didn't catch this is beyond me)

So, in this case it's fair to assume they would have sold her off eventually.

Re: Reading article on that kid that got kidnapped by the romani

(Anonymous) - 2013-10-21 22:50 (UTC) - Expand

I certainly hope so. I'm not a particularly politically correct type, but that sounded like pretty creepy hate speech to me.

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