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Turns out she is, in fact, Roma, and while it doesn't sound like there was any kind of legal adoption, she wasn't kidnapped.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/25/us-greece-girl-bulgaria-idUSBRE99N0R920131025

Not that this exonerates the couple in Greece for collecting benefits for lots of imaginary children, but they didn't steal a baby.

From the few news reports I saw I felt really bad for the family, because from the photos and everything it seemed obvious that the girl was family. And the whole thing was based on "but she looks different!" and "everyone knows gypsies steal children!" type of thing.

And it doesn't sound like she'll be going back to her family, which is sad. Hopefully she'll at least be able to see them.

To be fair, she did look terrified in one picture, but it might have been when she was caught, not to mention media manipulation. Her hair also appeared to have been dyed, but again, maybe there's something to that too.

I do think buying a baby is pretty dodgy, but it does seem the intent might not have been as bad as people were saying.

And in light of all this, many Romani families are facing discrimination for the appearances of their children - even those who are biologically theirs, if you've been watching the news. It's very sad. I understand concerns for this kind of thing, what with human trafficking and all, but I feel like this requires a degree of delicacy that is not being heeded at all. Accusing a couple of stealing their own fucking baby because they look different is really honestly kinda bullshit.

Does seem like a poetic ending to this, and a reminder not to jump to conclusions. On the other hand, if kidnapping children is a problem, it is important to be suspicious.

Roma stealing kids is an old stereotype.

ayrt

I think I worded myself badly. My point was that this case shows how bad stereotypes are, and hopefully reminds Europe to rethink racism toward them. My second sentence was more general, if there's reason to believe a child has been kidnapped I think it ought to be investigated (provided suspicion is not founded upon racism).

The problem is that the whole "Kidnapping kids!" thing is based off a very old stereotype of the Roma.

This is honestly kinda what I thought would happen.

My biggest problem with it is that there wasn't a legal adoption or any paperwork that the parents had to document that the child was not theirs, so I can understand where the government would jump to the conclusion at lest, knowing how many children are abducted and go missing each year.

The fact that they were collecting benefits for children that they couldn't prove? Yeah that's a big issue for me. I don't agree a lot with the welfare state and how it is handled, the lack of oversight. There's a lot we're not getting out of Greece too.

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Also, for the people who say this is all a big stereotype... there are problems with Roma and crime, as I understand it. I could be misinformed. If I am, I'm sorry, I'm just speaking from what European family members have told me.

I don't deny that there are a lot of problems. I've traveled to Europe as a tourist and the tour guide warn you constantly to avoid the gypsy cabs in Prague and Budapest because they will rip you off and there are only two safe cab companies. You also have to be careful in crowds, stick in groups because they work in teams and I saw it even in Vienna. It's bad.

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