[ SECRET POST #287 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #287 ⌋

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Notes:

WHY ISN'T THE NEW PHOENIX WRIGHT GAME HERE YET? I WANT IT LIKE BURNINGGGGGGGOWEIRFJOWEIJFOWIEJFOWEIFJ /spaz

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Comments

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

1. Barf.

34. ...And this is why homeschooling is shit and destroys people's social skills.

[(Anonymous)]

34. word

[kyaa.livejournal.com]

34. GOD WORDY MCWORD WORD. I swear, you can always tell if a kid's been home-schooled.

[insanepurin.livejournal.com]

34. Not always. lawl way to generalize.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

I didn't say always.

[minni.livejournal.com]

34. You mean in the same way public school system creates a bunchy of mindless drones for Big Government by dumbing down and brainwashing the masses?

[enjolras.livejournal.com]

Wow.

You got a point there.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Uh huh. That's exactly it.

[minni.livejournal.com]

I know, isn't it? And if it's not Big Government, then it's Talk Radio.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

I will agree with the latter statement.

[fuyu]

... I feel like I should speak up to defend homeschooling but I am a homeschoolee with shit social skills so I can't really say anything here.

[minni.livejournal.com]

Most of the homeschoolers I know have very good social skills, and I myself am none worse for wear after ten years of homeschooling. A lot of it depends on your level of interaction with other people over the years, and the involvement of other people.

Just like, you know, how it goes for everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

why do people do that? "OMG LOOK AT ME I TURNED OUT ALL RIGHT SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HAS NO VALIDITY"

how about you let US, the ones who have to interact with you, be the judge of whether you have good social skills. that self-referential mirror isn't always the best judge. YOU may think you are the top of the heap in social skills but that don't necessarily MAKE IT SO in real life.

[minni.livejournal.com]

Sure, I'll listen to you after you've met and interacted with better than 300 homeschooled children over a period of 20 years. Not only that, but my younger brothers and sisters have gone to public schools, I've tutored in public schools, and I've had friends in public and private schools. As far as I've experienced, people of all sorts of different social skills exist in all spectrums of age and experience, and being homeschooled/public-schooled isn't going to make a difference if you don't interact with other people and your parents aren't involved. There isn't much difference between the socially-awkward public-schooled nerd with poor self-esteem who hides in his mother's basement and the socially-awkward homeschooled twit with poor self-esteem who hides in her father's attic.

My homeschooled little brother has a great interaction with people at church, has lots of friends on and with his local homeschooler's soccer and basketball teams, and likes to spend the weekends working on junkcars with my father and uncles. He also has a much better self esteem than my Big Brothers' Big Sisters little brother who doesn't know why he's always getting into fights with his fellow students in the public school, rarely plays at recess because the other kids don't want him on their teams, and wants to move in with me because his mother works two jobs and and his father moved out of state four years after the divorce.

And I'm sure there are many people who can come up with examples of the opposite - I can too. The suicidal homeschooler who was extremely isolated from everyone but his parents and brother; the wonderfully talented and well-liked public-schooler who frequently hosted parties that she invited both homeschooled and public-schooled friends to...

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[(Anonymous)]

Yes, because children who go to school have PERFECT social skills, and homeschooled children don't go outside. Ever.

Re: 34

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Now let's see, one of these options involves learning in an environment with usually hundreds, sometimes thousands of peers at your age level and generally around your maturity level, and one of these options typically involves sitting on your ass while your parents teach with only maybe siblings as usual company.

I didn't say it destroys everyone's, nor did I say public schooling was awesome, but fuck, it's NOT a tough decision

Re: 34

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

The education most certainly has the potential (though it's far more subjective than even public school systems) for better education, but we're not talking about that. We're talking about social skills, from having friends to learning the merits of competition and how to go about it. Public school is not just about the good times kids have, it's about the bad times, and how to cope with them.

You say fairly common for group get-togethers, and again we come to the subjectivity of homeschooling. You can have wonderful parents that give you excellent educations, don't force their own points of view into their facts, organize social outings, and ultimately give you a fairly normal experience.

However, unlike public school mandates countywide, statewide, and federally, you cannot guarantee this. Shit happens in public schools and sometimes it sucks, but in a situation like homeschooling there is NO CONTROL WHATSOEVER, and unfortunately, so statistics show, this is more often the case than not.

I'm sorry your education sucked. Find a better system to live in, because believe it or not researching for your kids is NOT A BAD THING.

Re: 34

[(Anonymous)]

take a good hard look at fandom, or a huge corporation, or your local McDonalds, and watch as it acts, in general, like a pack of hormonal teenagers and tell me that again.

[klytaemnestra.livejournal.com]

34. Lawl. I was homeschooled for a few years before I started college at 16. I think I'm pretty well adjusted.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Keyword: you started college at sixteen. Those are formative years still, and from what I gather you had elementary education =\

And again, just because you're well-adjusted doesn't mean everybody is. General consensus is that while yes, some kids turn out "fine", far more don't. Especially those that go K-8 or K-12.

[klytaemnestra.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I was homeschooled between seventh and tenth grade. I dunno, I guess I was one of those who actually fared better having been homeschooled, maybe. It gave me the opportunity to learn a lot more than I would have in public school. Most of it was independent study and I had a few tutors from the university teaching me German, Chemistry and Algebra. And my social life didn't exactly suffer either.

But I do agree that there are some crazies who are homeschooled. I was always told they were called 'homers' because that's all they did. Remain at home and had no social life whatsoever and somehow emulated 19th century homestead culture or something. ::dies.::

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

7th to 10th sounds pretty good for learning awesome shit unavailable in public schools, and I imagine you'd already formed lots of relationships and interests that would thus garner MORE relationships by then.

From the studies I had to read on it a couple of years ago, those kind of kids are more common than not, and that's really sad. A big part of it, of course, is that the US Religious Right's standpoint on schools is all homeschool, all the time, and you can imagine the shit those kids have to put up with.

Also wtf why is LJ not sending me comment notification.

[pretentioustfu.livejournal.com]

Word.