[ SECRET POST #2525 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2525 ⌋

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Comments

[fauxkaren]

Buffy had been taking a beating throughout season 5.

By the time she jumped off the tower in "The Gift", I honestly think that she, in part, viewed death as a relief.

So she goes from that to being happy in heaven, only to be dragged back into this world, dealing with being a mother figure now to Dawn and trying to figure out how to take care of herself and Dawn and save the world.

Whatever.

I loved Buffy's arc in season 6. I have never related more to a fictional depiction of depression.

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

Oh god, yeah Dawn. Shit, I'd be pissed off if I had to deal with her.

[fauxkaren]

Because she's wonderful and perfect and you'd feel like you could never be as awesome as Dawn is?

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

Because it is like some evil necromancer resurrected both Scrappy Doo and Mel from Doctor Who and shoved them both in the body of a teenage girl, amped up the annoyance factor, gave it a double dose of whiny angst, then shoved the unholy creation into existence!

That's how you create a Dawn Summers.

[fauxkaren]

Dawn Summers is a precious baby angel and nothing anyone can say will convince me otherwise.

She is honestly my 3rd or 4th favorite character on the show and I'm not even sorry.

[fingalsanteater]

I was surprised to discover that people hated Dawn. I thought she was annoying in a little sibling way, but I liked her and her storyline.

[fauxkaren]

I wasn't surprised because I went into the series knowing that the three most hated characters were: Kennedy, Riley and Dawn.

But I loved Dawn.

Like idk why people are so hard on her. She has a LOT to deal with and she acts out in a pretty believable way. And sure she can be the Annoying Younger Sister sometimes, but she's funny and smart and she genuinely loves Buffy.

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

I don't get the Kennedy hate, she wasn't in the show long enough to develop enough character to hate. Other than "she isn't Tara" of course, and all the angry fans who got pissed that Joss killed a beloved character and refused to resurrect her simply because the fans demanded it and just replaced her instead. According to Whedonites it is a horrible thing if, when a character experiences loss, they eventually get over it, start moving on with their live and learn to love again. That is just bad storywriting according to the Whedonites.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate Kennedy because she thinks she knows everything, is ready for anything and takes glee from denigrating other people and calling them maggots.

[(Anonymous)]

Kennedy's story was not about Willow getting over Tara, though. Kennedy was a character shoved down people's throats that fans were told to like, as though they should be grateful for whatever lesbian relationship they were given. There was nothing natural or narratively consistent about Kennedy; she was exactly the sort of arrogant braggart that Willow would have avoided like the plague.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait wait, you say that shit about Dawn but defend that powertripping fuckwad? I really am glad I don't know you.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care for her because I didn't care at all for the conceit they used in stuffing her in there and for me personally the show never did a good enough job of convincing me that Buffy and co. loved Dawn for who she was and not who their magic new memories said she was. I know mileage definitely varies on this, but for me I just can't accept the 'we have memories of it so that makes it real even though it isn't actually real' thing. Like, if they'd brought Dawn in as a brand new character and not done the monk thing, or if everyone had lost their past memories of Dawn after she found out who she was I feel like I would have warmed up to the character more. As it is I didn't like that the show treated her as if Buffy had always had a little sister for the past four seasons and gave her such a place of importance (sorry Joss, the monks didn't rewrite my memories). I know it's not the character's fault but it's just too big of a sticking point for me.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of the people who hated her at the time were teenage girls, and they all insisted "but I'm not a screaming teen! I'm not!"

I have a kid sister. I had no problem whatsoever with Dawn.

[fauxkaren]

lol. I WAS the kid sister.

So I think I really overidentified with her desire to want to fit in with her older sister's friends.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I have a kid sister, and she was nowhere near as obnoxious as Dawn started out.

Though on the plus side, Dawn does mature in the later seasons. And absolutely eerie, she looked like my kid sister at times in the last season which made me feel more endeared to her.

I'm going to blame monks for that.

[deird1]

Absolutely! Dawn is brilliant.

[(Anonymous)]

I love you. I get so much hate for my love of Dawn, God.

[lunabee34]

Heeee, yes! Dawn is one of the only tween/teenagers on television to ever actually act her age. She is allowed to be a kiddo in all her kiddo glory. I love it.

[(Anonymous)]

This. The secret is treating it like she just had some kind of near-death experience or flash of insight during a stressful time. She chose to sacrifice herself to save the world and her sister because she was weary beyond measure. She found an end to the crushing responsibility that was forced on her, she was at peace for the first time, and then someone said "Nope, we're not done with you, come save the world some more." I can't even imagine how terrible it would be to discover that not even dying is going to end your troubles.

[(Anonymous)]

"Death is your gift"

It was really the reward for her sacrifice; finality is the fate of a slayer, and the best one could hope was to go in her own terms. It's rather a dark theme; death is the only thing sure in a slayer's life, and sacrifice is the only way of making it meaningful.

And Buffy did it, she checked out in a ball of glory, she was done. She had her reward. And they took that away from her.

The interesting part of her arc in S6 (besides being an awesome allegory for depression) it was also about finding meaning again; Buffy was done. Death could not be her meaning no-more, cause she had already gone through that. So as long as she was on earth, she had to BE something more, about something else.

And I think that it was her death and stay in heaven what made her ultimately understand that she had to be change, break away from the circle of life and death of the slayer, and that makes the empowering theme of season 7 not only about women, but about Buffy transcending the slayer rules of death and rebirth with her own will (and Will ah!).

[lunabee34]

This is a great comment.

[rivulet027]

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