[ SECRET POST #2525 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2525 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[dreemyweird]

I don't even watch this show, and the mere description of this plotline pisses me off. If it is the way it sounds in this secret, that's a way to behave like an obnoxious dick.

[(Anonymous)]

It's actually not that bad and kinda sad if you watch it in context. YMMV of course.

[fauxkaren]

Buffy had been taking a beating throughout season 5.

By the time she jumped off the tower in "The Gift", I honestly think that she, in part, viewed death as a relief.

So she goes from that to being happy in heaven, only to be dragged back into this world, dealing with being a mother figure now to Dawn and trying to figure out how to take care of herself and Dawn and save the world.

Whatever.

I loved Buffy's arc in season 6. I have never related more to a fictional depiction of depression.

[starzki]

While I completely agree that the story line where Buffy was depressed for most of the season wasn't great, I think you may have missed the point.

She was depressed because her friends basically stole heaven from her. She was in a place that was warm, where she was happy, and where she didn't have to fight any more. She was done.

Then, the people who were supposed to love her the most ripped her out of there to come back to the world where everything was hard and she had to fight and kill and watch those she loves die around her once more. I can understand that being hard for her.

Also, though she may have gotten to some heaven dimension the first time, there's no guarantee that it will be there the next time.

[mekkio]

Never thought of it that way but you are right. But then I hated season six with such a passion that I have all but erased it from my mind.

Oh, to have a confirmation that what I've been doing with my life has not been a waste but rather has been good and just and that in the moment after my final breath, I can have peace, real peace, is a wonderful idea.

Now I am pissed off at Buffy more.

[(Anonymous)]

She experience pure happiness and had it yanked from her. The happiness of Heaven isn't something that can even compare to emotions while on Earth. It's a pretty common theme for religious experience - in the presence of a God or Heaven or anything like that, to be so filled with warmth and happiness that when you leave you feel bereft and empty. That was the point.

Besides that, depression isn't really logical. You can't just point out the good things and magically be 'fixed'. You can acknowledge all the good and perfect things in your life and still feel empty and depressed.

And you know, way before the whole death thing they had ramped up Buffy being exhausted and depressed and tired of a life of war. So the fact that she finally got to 'rest' and found that happiness only to be yanked right back into a life of battle, yeah I can see how someone would be pretty upset and not grateful to the people who brought her back.

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

She was blissed out on heaven, so she was just going Cold Turkey on harsh reality again. I guess she could be anxious about maybe throwing away that "Front Row Seat" and getting a one way ticket to the other place if she screwed up enough, the PTB seem to be kinda dicks in the Buffy-verse. That'd be a legitimate worry, but I think mainly it was her coming down from the total bliss out and getting clean again.

[sootyowl]

I liked s6 Buffy. Buffy was depressed because she had experienced true happiness and rest, something that hadn't happened as a slayer. She loved her friends and Dawn, but she had been ripped away from a place where she hadn't been forced to be the slayer. She was trying to figure out how to live again and find the strength to keep fighting.

I'm sure she did find comfort that there was an afterlife, but that doesn't negate all the stress Buffy, as a young woman, was put through once again.

[fingalsanteater]

Remember that not only was yanked out of a place where she was finally at peace, a place where she found reprieve from her troubles and the pain that comes with being Slayer, but she was yanked out and THEN had to claw her way out of her grave and find that she's in a place that looks and feels like hell by comparison.

It's stupid to think that just because she felt at peace for short while, she should be happy because others haven't had that luxury. You don't have to be happy that something you earned has been taken away from you.

[intrigueing]

Reason #254 that season 6 is where Joss's happiness -> vulnerabilities -> misery algorithm broke into itty-bitty pieces.

[(Anonymous)]

I used to feel the same way as you, but then I decided to pretend BtVS ended with season 4. Now I am much more content.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought she was sad over it because she couldn't go back after being yanked from it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah that would piss me off too and I don't watch Buffy.

I had an NDE myself and I think I spent hours in Heaven, but I was gone for a few minutes in real time. Heaven looked like a garden with flowers you'll never see here on Earth. The sky was white and I felt only love. No pain, no sadness, no sense that I was missing anything.

I'm terminally ill and I'm not scared. I know where I'm going and I'm looking forward to that garden again. I don't sit around whining that I'm not in Heaven right now and I don't whine about what I'll never get to do. Shit happens in life. I'll get back into Heaven soon enough, but not before Christmas! ;3 I'm going to laugh in death's face on Christmas!

What's even funnier? I'm gay and make no secrets of it. I got into Heaven just fine and I'll get back in when my time is right. Let the gay haters suck on that for awhile. ;D

[sarastark]

And that's different from how Buffy treated anyone else ever how?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know. I kind of understand it.

I think a lot of it was a delayed reaction to losing her mother. She wasn't given much time to grieve and figure out what needed to be done in the aftermath because there were more immediate concerns.

You don't see grandparents or aunts or uncles or even her dad around to support her either. Just Giles, who decides to leave because she needs to learn how to deal with things on her own.

She's never managed her own finances, and even if the monks gave her memories of having Dawn in her life, she hasn't been a big sister for very long. So having all that responsibility dumped on you after losing someone, then having your friends still expect you to head up every mission to save the world from evil. Yeah. I get why she was angry and depressed. If she'd bounced back like it was nothing I would have been seriously confused.

[(Anonymous)]

You do realize that A) After heaven, the hell on earth seemed like shit and B) One of the reasons she was so 'woe is me' was because she was terrified that thanks to her friends pulling her out, she wouldn't be allowed to go back, right?

OP I agree hardcore

[(Anonymous)]

However, I don't think she was shitty to her friends, so much as didn't hang with them as much, but she was pretty shitty to Dawn/abandoned her a lot. I do, however, think she was ridiculously shitty to Spike.

Additionally, considering Angel spent a hundred years in Hell and came out okay, I thought it was absurd for Buffy to be depressed an entire season, and I was sick of that "woe is me" shit. What a stupid thing to be depressed over (and yes, I am someone who battles with depression, in case anyone thinks I'm being an insensitive dick. I'm not). Letting her actions off the hook just cause she was depressed is not an excuse, nor does it make it okay, and if anyone who has depression copes with it in that way...well, you're a shit, that's what. A big, stinking pile of shit. And so was Buffy.

Heroine my ass. Anya was right--they should have just let her stay gone. I still would have watched the show. And damn it, I love a few eps from s6, but I can't stand to even it watch it as a whole anymore.

[lunabee34]

I wonder if the way people feel about season six is something that changes from first viewing to subsequent viewing. That's what happened to me and a couple other people I know.

On the first watch, I didn't like season 6 overall, and I think it's because the depression storyline didn't appeal to me very much. I wanted my heroes to be heroes and wear the white hats and always be kind to each other and be BFFs and it seriously harshed my squee to watch all the Scoobies make poor decisions and their friendships fracture and to watch them hurt and grieve.

On subsequent watches, I've been able to appreciate a whole lot more what the show is doing in that season and now I like it a great deal.

YMMV, obviously, but this is definitely one of those things that has grown on me as time has gone by.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but she was ripped out of there to continue a life she never really signed up for. Buffy isn't a willing soldier in the fight against demons; it was decided for her.

[caffeine_buzz]

Eh, I don't like S6 but I can't begrudge Buffy her depression there. She was in heaven, she was at peace, and then people she loved ripped her out and she had to claw her way out of her own grave and then face a world where, let's face it, everything sucked. Knowing there's a heaven is one thing, but knowing it's there and being ripped out of it against your will (plus having no guarantee you'll be allowed back) is totally different.

[darkmanifest]

Way to miss the point, OP. Buffy was depressed because her friends took that very certainty of heaven away from her. She'd made it safely to death without committing any reprehensible sin or being turned into a vampire or some shit, which was a miracle in itself, and now she was brought back for another sparkling chance to buy herself a one-way ticket to the other place. Which I wouldn't be surprised if she did, because she came back into a ruined life that started with clawing out of her own grave and then got worse, driving her to do some pretty fucked-up things she never would have before. Yeah, sure, sounds like a recipe for peace and strength to me.

And I say that as someone who also hated Buffy's depressed crap - because yes, it was overwrought and got old fast, but that doesn't mean it wasn't justified.

SMG has the cutest fucking nose in all existance

[(Anonymous)]

that is all

[(Anonymous)]

You and I have very different definitions of treating our friends like shit.

See, I wanted Buffy to knock Willow into a wall and tell her in no uncertain terms that she was an arrogant, assuming, entitled brat with no knowledge and too much power, and how dare she resurrect Buffy without finding out exactly where Buffy was, and lying and bullying her other friends into going along with her plan. While living in her house and letting her bills slip into the red (it kills me that Willow circumvented the laws of nature in raising Buffy again, but she couldn't be assed to poof some cash into Buffy's account and lessen the girl's burden).

You obviously thought Buffy should have just snapped out of the depression she had slipped into at the end of s5 and been happy that someday, when she's died a third time, after resuming the Slayer duties she was done with, and paid off her mother's house and supported her deadbeat witchy friend who brought her back against her will, she might get back to the heavenly dimension she was in before.

Assuming Willow didn't bring her back again because, you know, "it's Buffy."

Funny that.

Secret 1 - Buffy The Vampire Slayer

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[Picture is Buffy Summers, as portrayed by Sarah Michelle Gellar, from the TV series "Buffy the Vampire Slayer". She is a young woman with light skin and long blond hair pulled back in a bun. She is making a sort of vulnerable and openly honest expression.]

Buffy's whole "I was in Heaven" angst throughout season 6 irritated the shit out of me.

Most people live their entire lives with only the hope that an afterlife paradise exists and that they will be allowed into it someday, if they play their cards right. She knew FOR CERTAIN that Heaven was real, that her dead loved ones were there, and that she had a front-row seat reserved for her. Rather than drawing strength and peace from that certainty, she turned it into some woe-is-me dramafest and started treating everyone around her like crap. Pissed me off.