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[(Anonymous)]

i have a good feeling about this thread, i'm sure it won't be ridiculous at all.

but i feel that I should make the point that patriotism is not in itself a bad thing, and saying that one hates patriotism is, to me, kind of imprecise language that includes both good things that are fine, as well as bad things that are objectionable. it's difficult to talk about this sort of thing because, you know, there are such obviously awful aspects of hypernationalism, and defending patriotism in general runs the risk of coming across as defending those things.

but at the end of the day, I really don't think there's anything wrong with anyone in America being a patriot, any more than there's anything wrong with any citizen of any country being a patriot. obviously people in all countries go too far with it sometimes and that should be condemned, but IMO that's no reason to dismiss patriotism.

[(Anonymous)]

But I think the OP didn't say they don't hate patriotism in istelf, but "US's patriotism" which is a special brand of over the top "Americaaaa fuck yeah!" type of patriotism.

And yeah, this thread is going to be ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

It's still imprecise language; if they meant to say "over the top America fuck yeah patriotism", they should have said "over the top America fuck yeah patriotism" instead of "US' patriotism."

But I admit that I'm kind of being pedantic and picky here, I guess...

[diet_poison]

It's only imprecise if you don't get that meaning from it. I thought it was pretty obvious that was what they meant. (That, or not liking the idea that people are proud of some of our messed up policies/culture)

[(Anonymous)]

It's not really obvious what they meant, we're just giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming that they didn't mean what the actual words they used meant. You're actually right that it's not imprecise language; what they said had a very precise meaning, which is that OP does not like it when Americans are patriotic. The only reason I'm calling it imprecise is that I'm assuming they didn't mean that.

Like, yes, it's pretty obvious what they did mean, but that doesn't change the fact that the words they used meant something else.

[(Anonymous)]

you're a special brand of wannabe intellectual.

[tabaqui]

I agree. Nothing wrong with loving your country. But the flag-waving crazies who scream hate and 'go back where you came from' and stuff like that.... That's now what i mean when i say 'patriot'.

[(Anonymous)]

Sadly, me too.

[mekkio]

I agree. There's nothing wrong with patriotic about your country. It's when you start thinking that everyone else should be just like your country that becomes the problem.

I think most the world side eyes American patriotism because they have their own history where their country's patriotism turned into invading and trying to colonize the world. So, they see Americans and are they are waiting for the same thing to happen there.

They don't get how it would be different for Americans. Americans have a love affair with their own country. It's more of a family love than a sterile, stoic devotion to their government. In fact, you ask most Americans, they aren't too pleased with their government but they love their country and the people in it. Much like a family where you may not always like your relatives because they drive you crazy but you love them.

[(Anonymous)]

Um, as a non-American, I can vouch for the "patriotism caused wars, genocides and colonisation" thing, but the thing is that American patriotism is also perceived as: "look, I'm better than you, you should be like me, forget your culture and customs to copy my model which is the best of the best, ever". Now, I'm not saying this is how American patriotism is as a whole, or is, altogether. This is how I sometimes see it, in certain areas of American media. This is not a purely American problem either, it's just more visible than in other countries because America has a much bigger international exposure...

/my 2 cents

[(Anonymous)]

It's more than a little ironic that, because people in other countries are fond of and affectionate towards their land, their customs, their way of life, they end up being opposed to and angry at American patriotism, IE American affection towards its land, its territory, and its way of life.

Not saying that it's anyone's fault - it's absolutely true that the tendency exists within American culture to be... exuberant in that way (to put it nicely). Just one of those unfortunate things.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I think it's part of how the US expresses it too. Like very few countries besides the US have regular families put their flag outside of their house. And I can see other countries disliking how we celebrate the 4th of July too.

[(Anonymous)]

Over the top?

I have tumblr savior'd that to heaven and back

[(Anonymous)]

da

Very.

Re: I have tumblr savior'd that to heaven and back

[mekkio]

Yeah, but over the top is something Americans do by nature.

We sent men to the moon and they played golf there. That right there is America in a nut shell. Other while countries were trying to get men into space and we sent men to the moon to casually play sports not because it was needed but because we could.

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[(Anonymous)]

Just because they could and wanted to show the Eastern block that they could. "Get over here, suckers! You sent a dog, I sent golfers, your move."

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[(Anonymous)]

Okay? It may be by nature but I still dislike the sheer quantity on certain days. Hence tumblr savior

and that one firefox program that saviors across the internet.

Re: I have tumblr savior'd that to heaven and back

[chardmonster]

Have you read anything at all about the space race?

I sincerely doubt it.

Re: I have tumblr savior'd that to heaven and back

[mekkio]

Why do you say that? And, yes, I have.

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[(Anonymous)]

my thoughts exactly. Sounds really clueless.

Re: I have tumblr savior'd that to heaven and back

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Well, the golf thing was a nice trick, but that isn't all of what the Apollo missions were about.

Re: I have tumblr savior'd that to heaven and back

[(Anonymous)]

No, you did it because you had to show Russia you had a bigger space dick.

[pantswarrior]

Well, in the realm of stuff "regular families" do, there's the thing where North Koreans basically have their dictator enshrined in their houses and wear pictures of him pinned to their lapels and schools stage huge productions in praise of him.

So in a compare-and-contrast sort of scenario, it's not surprising that people would side-eye typical American displays of patriotism too...

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah the exuberent thing is not that exclusively American. It's just that you aren't really in the footbal world cup that you don't really notice it. Trust everyone gets their stupid flag shirts out when their team is playing.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's better defined as American exceptionalism and also failed foreign policy, rather than patriotism.