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⌈ Secret Post #2551 ⌋

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[Resident Evil movies]


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04. [SPOILERS for something but idk what]



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05. [SPOILERS for Frozen]



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06. [SPOILERS for Bioshock Infinite]



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07. [WARNING for rape]

[Martin Freeman]


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08. [WARNING for rape]



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09. [WARNING for domestic abuse]















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Comments

[dreemyweird]

You're not a SJW, you just have a different (reasonable) opinion. But, tbqf, I think that your argument sounds no better than "jokes about death are harmful because they are a part of murder/violence culture". Are there cultural tendencies that make people more inclined to behave violently? Sure. Does it mean that nobody should joke about death? No.

I see how people can find rape jokes distasteful and unpleasant (I see them this way more often than not), but I don't understand folks who say that anyone who makes rape jokes is a terrihorrible human being and should stop this instance.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

The difference being that in our culture death and murder is a serious charge, whereas rape is often brushed off or told that the victim was somehow responsible and asking for it. If rape were taken as seriously as murder and other violent crimes I think I would have no problem hearing jokes about it, but as it's treated with a lack of seriousness in real life seeing people make jokes basically backs that up and pisses me off.

Also, I know that death jokes happen but I've got to say that dudes tend to joke about rape (and specifically how something is not really rape, like drugging someone) more than they do about death or murder. But maybe I'm just seeing the wrong off color jokesters.

[(Anonymous)]

"in our culture death and murder is a serious charge"

Nah, not really.
Depending on who is the dead and/or who is the murderer it may not even matter at all. The same goes for many violent crimes.

[(Anonymous)]

You know some kid just got off for killing four people with his car because he was too rich? Yes. That was the actual reason. It is called "affluenza".

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah but all the jokes I've seen about that are rightfully mocking that bullshit, not laughing at the dead people and how "it's not REALLY murder". It WAS murder, and we all love making jokes at the killer's expense because he's a little shit that deserves it. That's also how rape jokes should be approached. Mock the rapist, put him or her on display, show the world that all their excuses and defenses are bullshit and they should be called on it. Those are the best jokes.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I agree. I hate jokes that make light of the act of rape itself. It's kind of gross when you actually stop and think about it.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

jokes and satire should side with the victims, not the assholes

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, but "murder jokes" are 99 times out of 100 not "making fun of the murderer." For that matter, they aren't even jokes. "God, I want to kill my boss" or "go die in a fire" or something - you can say they aren't serious, but neither are the vast majority of rape jokes. I'm not seeing the difference here. Murder is not necessarily taken more seriously than rape (and most rational people do consider rape to be a horrible crime). If both are terrible crimes, I don't even see why we have to compare. If you're against rape jokes, you should be against murder jokes, too. That, or "rank" them (as you said, the joke might be funny if it makes fun of the rapist/murderer), or just accept that it's black humor whether or not you like it.

UM

[(Anonymous)]

You haven't been seeing many jokes, then! You know that "knockout game" that's so popular now? Well, you wouldn't BELIEVE the jokes I've heard about it. Things like "that old lady shouldn't have landed on her head then, lololol" and etc.

[(Anonymous)]

but I've got to say that dudes tend to joke about rape
I've mostly heard women brushing it off or telling jokes about it. We're definitely hanging with different crowds.

[(Anonymous)]

Damn I wish I could find this damn article... but some one made a good point once. Rape jokes AREN'T off limits. The problem is when the joke is at the expense of the victim. I've heard hilarious rape jokes, mocking the mere idea of the mindset of rapists, jokes that give a voice to the victim rather than making them the butt of the joke.

So yeah EVERY bad thing can have a joke made out of it, but it's not okay to joke about it from the standpoint of "it's not a bad thing". A rape joke is okay if it's ACKNOWLEDGED that it's actually bad and we're turning it around on that. What Martin did was NOT that. He made light of it, said it wasn't rape at all, mocked those who would say it was. That's not how to do a good joke.

(And this also covers things like violence, war, murder, etc... don't make jokes that claim those things aren't real, don't make jokes saying the victims deserved it for some reason or that it's "not a big deal"... it's really not that hard to keep a sense of humor without belittling people who have already been through enough)

[(Anonymous)]

What is a rapist's favorite pick up line?

"Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

[(Anonymous)]

I always love continuing that joke when some one says it. Like...

"Hey, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"
"What? No. Is that perfume?"
"... Shit, wrong rag."

[dreemyweird]

I don't think jokes should somehow "acknowledge" that this or that thing is problematic. That's why black humour is a thing. The whole point of black comedy is in not treating human suffering as something bad. It may rub many people the wrong way, but it is a literary technique that has existed for thousands of years now; it is not a tool of oppression but merely a means to reflect on our way of thinking.

Now, there is a difference between people who do not hold harmful beliefs but make black jokes and those who do hold harmful beliefs and joke about them. But it's a more subtle difference than the simple distinction between those who acknowledge the harmfulness of some particular action or situation in their humour and those who don't.

[(Anonymous)]

Here's the kicker though, HOW DO YOU KNOW? When you mock victims, how do you KNOW if the person is "just joking" and if they truly believe that? You can't know. That's the key difference in humor. Black humor does not have to be at the expense of suffering, but showing a different side of things. There's a difference between seeing a starving person in the street and going "lol starving kids, isn't that funny" and "this new celebrity diet is getting out of hand". In the first you're JUST mocking the suffering, there's no real humor or anything in that. In the second it's still making light of starvation BUT by turning it around to mock the societal worship of it and pointing out the irony and darker side of the obsession with skinniness. But the second one DOES NOT point at the starving person and make them the butt of the joke. IT IS STILL DARK HUMOR. But it's humor meant to lift up the spirits of the suffering rather than kicking them while they're down. And when a person makes a joke that kicks some one while they're down, those being kicked have no way of telling that person REALLY thinks that way or they're "just kidding".

[dreemyweird]

The way you can usually tell if a person likes you or not, if their smile is genuine or fake, if their sympathy is sincere or insincere. Granted, some of us aren't good at this, but it doesn't meant that people should assume that they absolutely cannot tell if somebody really means something they say or not. In the majority of the cases, they can. In the majority of the cases, they are even correct.

And I really don't think that jokes about babies in microwaves lift anybody's spirits

[(Anonymous)]

Also in that moment when you're not sure if they mean it or if it's just a joke, it still hurts the same. Nothing is different. And that sting doesn't magically go away when the person insists they don't really mean it.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention that black humor is also something that is often used as a coping mechanism. A lot of my extended family is in various branches of law enforcement, and trust me, black humor is a really, really common thing there because it has to be. When you see dead bodies on a regular basis, you have to have some way of dealing with it, and in most cases that ends up being morbid humor.

And the thing is, you have no way of knowing if someone making a morbid joke is using it as a coping mechanism or not, so by trying to police what people are and aren't allowed to joke about, you might end up hurting the very people you're trying to protect.

[(Anonymous)]

"The whole point of black comedy is in not treating human suffering as something bad. It may rub many people the wrong way, but it is a literary technique that has existed for thousands of years now; it is not a tool of oppression but merely a means to reflect on our way of thinking."

This needs to be repeated 100000 times and hammered into the foreheads of everyone ITT who have missed the point completely.

That said. Dry to the point of being hydrophobic gallows humour is not my thing. If I were to personally be able to stop other people from making jokes with that particular style of humour, that makes ME evil. Which SJWs just don't get. They want to take our freedoms away from us. Even if it's the freedom to be an idiot and say things they disagree with.

Yeah yeah I am way late to this thread and I'm the anon who always makes 1984 jokes about SJWs. But this is the first time any of them have legitimately started to frighten me.

[agnes_bean]

This might be the article in question: http://jezebel.com/5925186/how-to-make-a-rape-joke

Personally, for me, it's not even about "OK" or "Not OK." It's just that I think the best comedians are making insightful observation/commentary on the world, and if your observation/comment seems to side with the perpetrator and not the victim in this kind of situation, then I probably don't think it's very good.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see Freeman's joke being that different from Louis CK's joke, except not as extreme = not as obvious. Sometimes it's difficult to tell irony when nowadays people more or less use "spoiler tags" for jokes; [okay gonna joke now] controversial opinion [/joke].

[(Anonymous)]

Which is very reasonable, and would apply to the joke in question, if the joke in question was about real human beings. IT WAS ABOUT ELVES. Unless you're the can't-separate-fiction-from reality-anon above? In that case IDK that anything any of us says to you is going to make any sense.

[(Anonymous)]

What Martin did was NOT that. He made light of it, said it wasn't rape at all, mocked those who would say it was.

And he was right. It was a joke about hobbits and elves, neither of which exists, so it wasn't a joke about REAL rape of actual human beings at all. Saying it is and making a big deal over it is what REALLY trivializes actual rape of real human beings. Not a joke about a hobbit slipping a roofie to an elf.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed!

And frankly, I don't care if you think the impact is different (I would say the impact is not that different) - if you are anti-rape jokes but make light hearted death threats (or torture threats)... you are a hypocrite and you need to reevaluate your morals.

[(Anonymous)]

...are these people allegedly up at arms against him not the very same people who allegedly sent death threats to his wife? Makes you wonder.