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⌈ Secret Post #2551 ⌋

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04. [SPOILERS for something but idk what]



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05. [SPOILERS for Frozen]



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06. [SPOILERS for Bioshock Infinite]



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07. [WARNING for rape]

[Martin Freeman]


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08. [WARNING for rape]



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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not all up in arms over it, and it won't automatically stop me from watching something he is in (although I still have no desire to see The Hobbit and I've given up on Sherlock for other reasons), but I do think it was an asshole move. And he shouldn't have said it.

Yes, it was a joke, but joking about raping someone really is never okay. It is part of rape culture. Rape is not a light subject, nor one that should be joked about. Joking about it makes it seem trivial and not a big deal. Such that people will still look much more askance at a victim who was drunk/drugged than at the perpetrators.

I'm actually disappointed with the amount of people who are treating it so cavalierly. Saying things like "well, it was about elves" or "of course he would never rape someone" and "why are you taking it seriously?" I think it is a subject that should be taken seriously. Although I suppose a lot of you will say I am a SJW for thinking like that.

[(Anonymous)]

For me personally if he'd left it at "drugging an elf" i would have been massively uncomfortable but not upset. the second he laughed at calling it "rape" and mocked anyone who would be hurt by it? THAT was the problem. The joke sucked, but make it. Whatever. Prepare for people to dislike you for it, but make it if you "HAVE" to. But then laughing off the people who have every right to be upset about it? Laughing at the mere concept of drugging and fucking some one BEING rape? THAT made him an asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

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[(Anonymous)]

I thought he was being sarcastic all the way through -- including with his cavalier attitude. I have not seen a lot of interviews with him, but I get the impression that's sort of his gimmick, what have you, that he's so blase unPC but he's just being ridiculous and OTT with it. That's part of the comedy? That's what I thought, it's a very dry humour and some people don't get that.

/no dog in the hunt re: stanning MF or the joke itself but this whole thing is mindblowing

[(Anonymous)]

+1 well said

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[dreemyweird]

You're not a SJW, you just have a different (reasonable) opinion. But, tbqf, I think that your argument sounds no better than "jokes about death are harmful because they are a part of murder/violence culture". Are there cultural tendencies that make people more inclined to behave violently? Sure. Does it mean that nobody should joke about death? No.

I see how people can find rape jokes distasteful and unpleasant (I see them this way more often than not), but I don't understand folks who say that anyone who makes rape jokes is a terrihorrible human being and should stop this instance.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

The difference being that in our culture death and murder is a serious charge, whereas rape is often brushed off or told that the victim was somehow responsible and asking for it. If rape were taken as seriously as murder and other violent crimes I think I would have no problem hearing jokes about it, but as it's treated with a lack of seriousness in real life seeing people make jokes basically backs that up and pisses me off.

Also, I know that death jokes happen but I've got to say that dudes tend to joke about rape (and specifically how something is not really rape, like drugging someone) more than they do about death or murder. But maybe I'm just seeing the wrong off color jokesters.

[(Anonymous)]

"in our culture death and murder is a serious charge"

Nah, not really.
Depending on who is the dead and/or who is the murderer it may not even matter at all. The same goes for many violent crimes.

[(Anonymous)]

You know some kid just got off for killing four people with his car because he was too rich? Yes. That was the actual reason. It is called "affluenza".

[(Anonymous)]

but I've got to say that dudes tend to joke about rape
I've mostly heard women brushing it off or telling jokes about it. We're definitely hanging with different crowds.

[(Anonymous)]

Damn I wish I could find this damn article... but some one made a good point once. Rape jokes AREN'T off limits. The problem is when the joke is at the expense of the victim. I've heard hilarious rape jokes, mocking the mere idea of the mindset of rapists, jokes that give a voice to the victim rather than making them the butt of the joke.

So yeah EVERY bad thing can have a joke made out of it, but it's not okay to joke about it from the standpoint of "it's not a bad thing". A rape joke is okay if it's ACKNOWLEDGED that it's actually bad and we're turning it around on that. What Martin did was NOT that. He made light of it, said it wasn't rape at all, mocked those who would say it was. That's not how to do a good joke.

(And this also covers things like violence, war, murder, etc... don't make jokes that claim those things aren't real, don't make jokes saying the victims deserved it for some reason or that it's "not a big deal"... it's really not that hard to keep a sense of humor without belittling people who have already been through enough)

[(Anonymous)]

What is a rapist's favorite pick up line?

"Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

[dreemyweird]

I don't think jokes should somehow "acknowledge" that this or that thing is problematic. That's why black humour is a thing. The whole point of black comedy is in not treating human suffering as something bad. It may rub many people the wrong way, but it is a literary technique that has existed for thousands of years now; it is not a tool of oppression but merely a means to reflect on our way of thinking.

Now, there is a difference between people who do not hold harmful beliefs but make black jokes and those who do hold harmful beliefs and joke about them. But it's a more subtle difference than the simple distinction between those who acknowledge the harmfulness of some particular action or situation in their humour and those who don't.

[agnes_bean]

This might be the article in question: http://jezebel.com/5925186/how-to-make-a-rape-joke

Personally, for me, it's not even about "OK" or "Not OK." It's just that I think the best comedians are making insightful observation/commentary on the world, and if your observation/comment seems to side with the perpetrator and not the victim in this kind of situation, then I probably don't think it's very good.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is very reasonable, and would apply to the joke in question, if the joke in question was about real human beings. IT WAS ABOUT ELVES. Unless you're the can't-separate-fiction-from reality-anon above? In that case IDK that anything any of us says to you is going to make any sense.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed!

And frankly, I don't care if you think the impact is different (I would say the impact is not that different) - if you are anti-rape jokes but make light hearted death threats (or torture threats)... you are a hypocrite and you need to reevaluate your morals.

[(Anonymous)]

i agree. i don't think i would have paid it much attention though if he hadn't added the bit about "they’ll call it "rape" or whatever"... like, no, if you make a rape joke don't question if it's really about rape, acknowledge what the fuck you're doing or don't comment on it like that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah he needs to recognize what he described IS rape. If he'd called it rape, owned up to it, it'd have still been a creepy joke but at least he was treating it seriously... if that makes sense.

[(Anonymous)]

I think there is a world of different between a stupid joke and reality, and I think equating a rape joke to real rape is what is offensive. Off color humor is nothing new. And frankly, yes, making it about elves or fictional characters is pretty fucking different than saying "I'm going to rape (real person)."

I don't think you're a SJW for having that opinion. And I agree, in theory, with the reality of a concept of "rape culture" but I do not see his joke as a contribution to that. In bad taste, yes. Inappropriate, absolutely. Promoting rape? Nope.

[(Anonymous)]

His comment insisted on drugging some one and having sex with them NOT being rape. He basically said it's NOT rape. That comment could very well encourage some one to see that action as being okay because it's "not rape". Obviously he's not going to be magically make complete saints run around raping, but some one who was already wanting to do that now has EXTRA validation from some one in the world that what they want to do to some one is okay.

[(Anonymous)]

Saying "Well, it's just a joke" isn't a free pass. You have to be actually funny, have an actual joke. "Lol, rape" isn't a joke. Carlin he ain't.

[dreemyweird]

"Lol, rape" is a joke, it just isn't funny.

[honk]

yeah i agree with you