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I'll post it down there to make it collapse.

Judging from what I see on my dash, Moriarty is alive. Why does Moriarty overrun all the Holmes adaptations I like. It is beyond me. THIS LITERALLY JUST HAPPENED TO ELEMENTARY. WHY. WHY. WHYWHYWHY.
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
W H??? Y???

hahahahaha seriously? fuck that

my sentiments exactly

Lemme bury myself okay. Just damn call me when there's an Irene who isn't a love interest and a Moriarty who isN'T UbIQUITOUS AS THE BLOODY SMELL OF THE BLOODY LIVERPOOL CHEESES

Out of curiosity, why do you hate Moriarty? Feel free to rant, lol. I'm not a fangirl or anything but I always kinda enjoy the aspect of "There but for the grace of God go I" of the only guy as smart as Holmes is his nemesis. (and in Elementary how she's kinda obsessed with Joan since she beat her, haha! all but writing 'Mrs Moriarty Watson' in her diary, bless her felonious little heart)

I'm not DW (obviously) but I don't mind Moriarty, I just dislike how Holmes adaptations seem to have such a limited pallet of references. There's a few key points that they always feel they need to hit - Irene Adler, Moriarty, Hounds, etc. And they rarely do anything interesting with those elements. And with most of the canon, they just don't have any time for it. It results in a lot of adaptations feeling kind of same-y and it means they don't get into a lot of stories and parts of the canon that I love at all. It feels like they're not adapting the Holmes canon, they're adapting the public perception of the Holmes canon. And in some ways it's worse in Sherlock specifically because they throw out tons of references to the canon but only as references - it's like they're just wasting them.

It's not that Moriarty is bad -- he's frickin' awesome, but he's not the be-all end-all of what Sherlock Holmes is supposed to be about. He's not, like, the Joker or Lex Luthor, who never goes away and is always there, his arc is very closely tied up in one specific event -- Holmes faking his death -- and after that happens, Moriarty really doesn't have a purpose anymore.

To be honest, Holmes having an archenemy who continues indefinitely and overshadows his whole career is rather minimizing. Moriarty's dark-mirror effect works perfectly well posthumously.

The guys upthread have more or less nailed it. I enjoy ACD's Moriarty. He's this cheesy-ish, a little too omnipotent to be believable (but still balancing just on the edge between plausible and implausible) but nevertheless creepy antagonist. He is like salt in a dish. And, just as there is only a pinch of salt in a dish, there's only one story where Moriarty is explicitly present. One out of sixty, let that sink.

What do the creators of the adaptations do? They grab their bag of salt and dance around, throwing handfuls of salt in their damn macaroni. Quite naturally, the food becomes quite inedible. STAHP with cheesiness. Do you seriously think that ACD's stories would have been improved if the poor guy made Moriarty commit all the crimes Holmes solves? No? Then why do you think that out of your stupid n episodes n/2 should contain Moriarty? HOW COME in 1954 Sheldon Reynolds could film a 29-episode adaptation without mentioning Moriarty once, but in 2013 you cannot make an adaptation without SHUTTING UP ABOUT THE DAMN MORIARTY?

I'm sick of omnipotent omnipresent archnemeses. I'm sick of Irene-the-love-interest-and-simultaneously-SURHPRISEHH-MORIARTY. GO AWAY. I just want some humane, interesting antagonists who were present in abundance in the Holmes stories. I want to see the Rucastles. I want to see Ryder. I want to see the dog from COPP GIVE ME THE DOG. I'll take this dog over Moriarty in no bloody time at all.

haha sorry I've got a bad case of feelings

I'm actually pretty sure that it's not actually Moriarty, just Moran fucking stuff up in his name? I mean, that would be the classic solution to that, right?

I don't believe Moriarty is still alive either, just that someone else is using his image for their schemes. (Though who the hell knows with this show; there's probably a very real possibility I'm wrong about this.)

I think I'm done with Sherlock. Moriarty was my number one Do Not Want, but there were other parts that really didn't work for me.

I think people who are fans of John and some Johnlock fans should be pretty happy. For me, the appeal of a Sherlock Holmes adaptation is about the character of Sherlock Holmes and the mysteries.

I have no idea what to make of Sherlock fandom this season. One person says the second episode was the best thing ever. Another one says it was utter tripe. Some people say it's gone totally downhill, other people say it's just the same as it ever was and everyone just has inflated expectations. Even the official critics have what feel like completely incompatible readings.

Damnit, this contradictory bullshit is what sucked me into watching the show in the first place, and what sucked me into watching the rest of season 2 even though I swore Sherlock off after A Scandal in Belgravia, and it's probably going to do the same with season 3 as well even though I swore I wouldn't watch it.

*shakes fist*

I don't mind Moriarty as a villain, but I don't like this version of Moriarty. He just... I don't know. He grates on me.

Unfortunately I'm pretty sure most casual viewers don't know all that many ACD antagonists in general, so I assume the people in charge of remakes worry that introducing new people, even if they're canon, may turn off viewers. It's lazy, but eh. :\ That's my theory, anyway.

I hope he's not really back, though. I can't stand him.

I loved it. Every minute. It was tense. It was emotional. It did not make Mary a villain. I loved every episode of this series. I don't even care how improbable that ending was. I. Can't. Fucking. Wait.

Also BAMF and sassy John gives me life. Martin Freeman was amazing this episode.

Yeah, I know you all liked it *despondent* And I do love everything you just listed, but... I'll go sit in my empty Moriarty-hating corner.

If it helps, I don't think it is Moriarty.

Yes, I just caught up with that bit. And yes, it helps :D I may actually continue? Too bad Elementary's Moriarty is still there.

Idk, I like that they at least did something *new* Moriarty, and at least made it a strong female character as well (on Elementary).

But yeah not seeing him at all would be a nice change.

Apparently it isn't certain that Moriarty is alive (as in, he only appears in a video clip?). I guess I'll wait for more spoilers. But damn, the whole Moriarty affair has made me so jumpy. I'm ready to quit anything the instance the characters say the letter M.

then quit? Damn it ain't like anyone will miss care

but if I quit quietly then I can't rant about quitting it. where's fun in that.

*Joins you in moriarty hating corner*

That he wasn't in this season was the main thing I liked about it. O well I think I am just going to pretend it is some sort of plot by Watson to get Sherlock back.

What happened? Is Watson dead?

No. There wasn't a single death of a main caracter

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