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⌈ Secret Post #2571 ⌋

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I always thought it was, well, slightly rapey. I don't bring that up much because of douchebag male gamer neckbeards, but yeah, she technically consented to it, but given how dangerous it is for her, I have to wonder how genuine her consent was.

I know, I know, que "mansplaining" but now I'm being troll free. How does the fact it was a risk for her alter her consent?

"Oh no, I sure don't want to keep feeling not sick! This pressure is too great... I must sleep with this man and be horribly ill afterward! THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE!"

I think you have a point here that you aren't expressing well? Because otherwise this just isn't clicking here.

OP here:

A person obviously still has the right to engage in potentially dangerous sexual behavior if they so choose. The problem is that Shepard's her commanding officer in some sense, so he's putting her (and by extension the entire mission) at risk. It's also uncharacteristically selfish of Tali (though I can understand that she might have gotten carried away—still, it's the CO's responsibility to keep that in check). She knows that the ship's depending on her.

I can't imagine everyone in the crew being okay with it either. You figure Jacob would at least have a problem with that.

OP, what your talking about is a bad decision. Now if you want to say they fucked up, I disagree, but I understand your argument.

The anon I initially responded to was talking about consent.

But that said... Jacob. Having a problem with sleeping with a superior officer.

"heavy risk. But the prizzzzeee"

I meant more that he'd have a problem (given his background) with a CO like Shepard endangering part of his crew in such a way. I don't imagine him objecting to any of the other characters.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that Samara, Joker, Mordin, Garrus, Jacob, Miranda, Kasumi, Thane, Legion, Jack and even Zaeed would all have a problem with it. I think Grunt's the only one who wouldn't really care that much.

I'm pretty sure you're projecting there.

We know for a fact in game canon that Mordin and Joker would not. I really don't think any Asari are going to tell somebody who to sleep with.

With Samar I was going to say that her Code might compel her, but then I remembered she'd sworn herself to Shepard (her Code's fucked up anyway).

As for the others, it seems OOC that they'd be so indifferent to the whole thing. Again, I get it, canon, but it's seems inconsistent for many.

If it's canon it's not ooc. You may not like it, but it cannot be both those things.

except mordin DID have a problem with it, he just ultimately advised caution in having sex with tali. he literally straight up said shepard needed to be careful and there's a reason why. tali could have died, we've told you this. mordin is a grown ass salarian, he's not gonna tackle you to the ground to stop you from fucking somebody. just because he advised the safest way to have sex with tali doesn't mean he was condoning or endorsing shep's shitty decision.

That's a bit of a stretch to say he had a 'problem' with it. He found a problem, doesn't mean he had one. He just cautions you, is all.

No, I'm suggesting the pressure to sleep with him, to "please her man" was so great that she ignored her personal safety. If it was a loving truly consenting relationship, he would have not gone through with something that could harm her. so it reads to me that he just only wanted the sex and she felt she had no choice but to give in even if it would be dangerous.

OP again:

Yeah, and it was weird that your only alternative was to flat-out refuse any kind of relationship. You don't need to do the deed in order to carry on a relationship. This might have been a relatively novel example of abstinence making the situation more romantic instead of less.

Unless Tali feels rejected. She just put it all on the line for you and you said no. And she's a big girl and she can take it and be your friend, but that's not what she needs from a lover.

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