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fandomsecrets2014-01-23 06:43 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2014-01-23 06:43 pm
[ SECRET POST #2578 ]
ā Secret Post #2578 ā
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And you know what? That's fine.
Because, you see, everyone is different and has different desires. We're not all you with your opinions and your dreams.
But no, apparently people can dedicate a large portion of their lives to fandom where people obsessively worship shows and that's fine. The moment people dedicate a large portion of their lives to religion and worship that suddenly they're wasting their supposed "potential". That's terribly conceited, don't you think? You're so superior that you know what's better for someone's life than they do?
I'm sorry I'm so mad at you OP but this secret hits very close to home. A friend of mine is catholic and she is becoming a nun and it's been a... painful process.
*It's not because I realize your life has meaning to you and that's beautiful. Iām also not an asshole.
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(Anonymous) 2014-01-24 04:50 am (UTC)(link)Agree with your whole comment, but especially this part.
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(Anonymous) 2014-01-24 05:16 am (UTC)(link)Anyhoo, dial down the condescension, why don't you? I said this secret was offensive because I know exactly why it is, which is why it's a SECRET. I usually don't comment on other peoples' religious beliefs or choices in a non-anonymous setting, because duh, IT'S NOT MY PLACE.
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Aaaaannnnddd the rest of that is still you thinking your ideas of what's worthwhile in life should be the same for nuns. So it's conceited, as I said. Which you seem to acknowledge sooooo...?
I'm not being condescending. I'm just calling that opinion you have assholeish. Yes, this is your secret. You made it a secret because you can't say it anywhere else. (Again, because assholeish.) This is also the comments section where everyone can voice their opinions on the secret. So, I did that. I don't really see a problem here. We're both doing exactly what this community is made for.
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(Anonymous) 2014-01-24 05:51 am (UTC)(link)However, the implication in the movie that the Mother Superior started pulling away from the community because the neighborhood went to pot. Then, when they do start interacting with it again, we can see the community starting to become revitalized. It was a bad decision on the Mother Superior's part, but she was scared of the change and wanted to protect the women who came to live their lives under the convent's roof.
Theirs was not initially a cloistered convent, as you seem to be suggesting. The Kathy Najimy character even says she wants to work in the community, getting out there and saving lives. A friend of mine is about as bubbly and out going, and she didn't last long in a cloistered convent -- can you imagine Najimy's character really sticking around if she thought she couldn't do the good she wanted?
Devoting oneself entirely to something you love is never frowned upon when it's family, a tangible partner, work, etc. It's rather sad you think someone devoting their life to their love when it happens to be religion is such a negative thing.
On the flip side, I'm glad you realize how offensive this is.
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(Anonymous) 2014-01-24 06:02 am (UTC)(link)no subject
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(And I don't know how much comfort this'll be to you but if your friend decides that being a nun isn't for her after all, they'll let her go and wish her well if she asks to be released. If it's not the right place for her, nothing's been done that can't be undone... or possibly redone, if she leaves and wants to return later in life. Some orders are far more forgiving than others/the priesthood.)
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To be honest it's kinda better. She found a cloistered convent, Carmelites I think, to join but found after sixth months it wasn't for her. She was still in training so hadn't taken her vows yet. She still intends to become a nun but is now looking for something that gives her more access to her friends, family, and the world outside in general. (There were/are other things but it's personal so I'm not gonna break her confidence.)
But yeah, I don't understand most of it because I'm not Catholic but whatever she chooses, even if I'm hurt by the loss of her, I must respect her choices.
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And yeah, the cultures between the various orders can be very different. Some are much, much stricter than others. And some are incredibly democratic and hold elections, including international ones, for all of the ranking positions within their order. (There's still an expectation of obedience but the understanding is that the followers got to choose who they'll obey. And when elected, the various heads take it super seriously and try to look after everyone to the best of their ability.)
Also, there are a lot of orders that work to create change in the secular world - they take care of the poorest of the poor, work to create legislation against the death penalty, minister and teach in schools, prisons, hospitals, etc. all over the world, and there's even an order that heckles the Vatican about the Church's more conservative stances. I knew a nun when I was a child who soldered things and made stained glass windows for the community. There's even a famous art critic/teacher who's a nun! (I, uh, watched her lectures to help me get through AP Art History.) Cloistered convents can un-cloister themselves if they feel it's needed - for instance, there was one that voted to un-cloistered themselves to come out and fight the U.S. death penalty and minister to those on death row - but no one should count on that when they join.
Whatever your friend wants/loves to do, there's an order that either does it or order(s) that would help her set up an offshoot of their order to do it. But I've been told that the hardest part of taking Holy Orders is finding the right order to take them with. Fit is apparently everything since they will literally be your family for the rest of your life.
(And yeah, I've known two nuns who gave up their Holy Orders. One left with a priest, who she married, and they raised an enormous family together.)