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Comments

[fscom]

17. [WARNING for child sexual abuse]
http://i.imgur.com/WFaP3Hh.png

[shinyhappypanic]

how do you know she supports roman polanski? I just googled and couldn't find any immediate results..when did she mention this?

[(Anonymous)]

There have been calls to boycott not only Polanski’s films but those of the petitioners, with the IMDB message boards of Scorsese, Lynch et al filled with postings about the case. And the outrage doesn’t end there: celebrities who DIDN’T sign the petition have also been hit with boycott demands. Jodie Foster and Meryl Streep, for instance, kept their names off the petition and have absolutely nothing to do with Polanski or the case at hand, but (according to a poster on Deadline.com) are apparently “guilty by their silence.”

[(Anonymous)]

Not signing a petition =/= supporting Polanski. I don't support Justin Beiber's actions, but that doesn't mean I'm going to flood every social media outlet to talk about him. Maybe Meryl Streep finds Polanski's actions gross, but also thinks adding fuel to the fire isn't going to solve anything.

[(Anonymous)]

There was a petition some years back when Polanski was in danger of being extradited to the States. Lots of Hollywood stars signed it, including Meryl iirc. Google 'Polanski Hollywood petition' and you'll probably find it.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP but I'm pretty sure she signed that petition.

[(Anonymous)]

Emma Thompson did, but she later removed it.

http://www.celebitchy.com/79116/emma_thompson_removes_her_name_from_the_roman_polanski_petition/

Meryl Streep didn't.

[(Anonymous)]

I seem to recall that she initially signed the petition, but when more specific details* were brought up she withdrew it.



*There was definitely a narrative that it was "just" statuatory rape, rather then Polanski raping and drugging a young teenager.

[(Anonymous)]

I know this is at least true of Emma Thompson, and she publicly acknowledged it. Knew I love her for a reason.

[(Anonymous)]

That was Emma Thompson, Meryl Streep never signed it.

[(Anonymous)]

www.shakesville.com/2009/11/emma-update.html

[(Anonymous)]

Just asking because I'm curious and because the media here pretty much painted the case as 'nothing more than' statuatory rape, but was there actual evidence of the victim being drugged and forcibly raped aside from her statement?

[(Anonymous)]

She said she was sorry he was in prison. Its on youtube.

[(Anonymous)]

link?

You're wrong, but that's not the point.

[(Anonymous)]

The point is that her accusations against Walt are based on rumors that don't match up with facts. The point is that she has a problem with a dead guy she never met and knows nothing about but had no problem with Emma Thompson initially signing that petition. The point is that she's another example of Hollywood running off at the mouth about things they don't know.

Re: You're wrong, but that's not the point.

[(Anonymous)]

The Polanski petition is what I use to remind myself that, no matter how much I may like these people's works, I should not place them on a pedestal because Hollywood is a fucked up place.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait. Walt Disney is a pedophile now?

[(Anonymous)]

She's bitching at Disney for allegedly being a racist or whatever but she has no problem with a child rapist.

[(Anonymous)]

Show me where she defended Polanski.

[iceyred]

Just googled the Meryl Streep and Walt Disney thing. This is the first time I've ever heard these things about Disney. Usually the rumor that he's in cryogenic sleep is the one that gets trotted out. Does any one know of any proof about what she's saying?

[(Anonymous)]

There very specifically isn't any proof of what she's saying and his actions in life were the polar opposite.

[truxillogical]

Sure.

Okay, first off, the sexism is based on a letter sent out by the company to a girl inquiring about being an animator. At the time (the thirties), Disney didn't employ women as animators (because few people employed women as anything with that much say), but the staff of colorists (a highly technical, seriously, watch The Reluctant Dragon, it's like they're doing mad science, gas masks and everything), and many of the inkers were women.

The very same year that letter went out, Disney opened a night school for the women on the colorist team to learn to be animators if they wanted to. In 1941, while they were working on Dumbo, Disney told his all-male animating staff that they could expect to see more women soon:

"If a woman can do the work as well, she is worth as much as a man. The girl artists have the right to expect the same chances for advancement as men, and I honestly believe they may eventually contribute something to this business that men never would or could."


So yes, Disney did once have a policy that women didn't do the explicitly creative work. He then not only changed that policy (by just allowing it but not reaching out, then shrugging and saying, "welp, they must not want it), but actively sought out creative women to add to his team, because Disney was a man who appreciated talent in anyone.

So there's that.

The Anti-Semitic thing is one of those creeping rumors that will never ever go away. In the early 30's, Disney, like a whole lot of Americans who had any familial or business ties to Germany, attended meetings of the German-American Bund, a group that was basically trying to spread Nazism in the states. He didn't like it, and he stopped going. Before the war, he reached out to a (female) German filmmaker because he liked her work. In the 40's, he was a part of The Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals, an anti-communist organization with anti-Semitic leanings as well. He left them in the 50's. That's pretty much where those rumors come from.

He also donated money to Jewish charities like The Hebrew Orphan Asylum, Yeshiva College, Jewish Home for the Aged, and The American League for a Free Palestine, and none of his employees, even the ones who hated him (Disney was a perfectionist and a bit of a bully, that much is true) ever said anything about him being anti-Semitic.


Now.

Yes, there's still plenty of racism rampant in old Disney cartoons (Dumbo's crows are infamous, and in the Three Little Pigs, the Wolf briefly disguises himself as a Jewish peddler, which would have been a common enough vaudeville trope). Disney himself certainly held the attitudes and language of his time period as well (I mean, heck, even just calling the women artists "girls" in the above quote sounds pretty awkward today). And the eternal argument will rage on with "Saying 'That was the culture of the time' is no excuse!"

Well... I dunno, but I think tumblr-folk who get apoplectic about that may be building up a mental narrative where they would never have those opinions or make those jokes, even if they had grown up in the 20's. And that's just kind of a dishonest line of though. Sure, there were people who maybe didn't hold those kind of thoughts, but it's sort of like deciding that if you lived in the Middle Ages, you would've totally been a knight or a noble. Possible, but unlikely. And Disney was in the business of entertainment, which relies, to a large extent, on shared cultural tropes. Many of these have become unacceptable now, thank God. Back then, they weren't seen as any more inappropriate than having Bugs Bunny sing opera. It's hard to get mad at an individual person for not treating something as inappropriate when all the social mores of the time said it totally was.

There is still some problematic as balls stuff in Disney, and it absolutely is a good thing to talk about it, to remind ourselves that, yeah, once people totally thought this was okay, and oh my gosh, our society laughed at jokes like that? And Disney himself, while a man with plenty of good attributes and a creative genius, was not always a very nice person. He was a ruthless businessman, he did terrorize his employees (read Bill Pete's biography--like, every doodle of Disney has him looking like the Scariest Boss Ever), and like most business tycoons, he's got his share of skeletons.

But he really wasn't a no-girls-allowed, Jew-hating bigot either.

[(Anonymous)]

She's the new poster child for the idea that actors shouldn't talk without a script in front of them.

Talented actress =/= intelligent human being

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, I still can't believe she made such thoughtless, unintelligent comments about a dead man she has never even met. She's an incredibly talented actress, no question, but ngl, my respect for her as an individual went down a couple notches.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't believe you made such thoughtless, unintelligent comments about an actress you have never even met.

What made her comments thoughtless or unintelligent? And does your right to commentary exist only if you've actually met the person you're discussing? Can you not reference ACTUAL LETTERS and EVENTS, as she did, to make a point?