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I get all the other tweets but I don't understand why the last one is offensive. It is stupid to throw your life away to drugs, especially when you're in your 40s and should probably know better on account of life experience.

Because the guy wasn't even in the ground. Give sometime for people to mourn before you dump all over their loved ones. Even if their loved ones made horrible mistakes.

For me it's the "it's not sad" part. Senseless and stupid things can still be sad, and most deaths are sad because they affect the people around them.

That doesn't make it less upsetting or sad. He's basically saying that feeling sadness over an OD death is stupid.

That's not what he said at allllll. Reading comprehension.

Death = sad, stupid, tragic, whatever
Feeling sad about death = okay

You can feel sad and think something is senseless at the same time.

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oh god not this wank again

oh god yesss

I suppose it's just offputting for someone to think that the world is truly interested in their opinion on people's reactions to someone they admire dying. Plus it is sad, actually.

Obviously people are or they would not be whining about it.

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arcadiaego - 2014-02-09 23:49 (UTC) - Expand

addiction is sad, it's not "stupid". His wisdom and worth as a human being isn't negated by how he died. We don't immediately follow other kinds of accidental deaths with "but it's not sad because they took a risk". Moralising over drug addiction only results in more tragedy, not less.

This is very well-stated.

It can be both sad and stupid, though.

THIS. thank you.

It is was both a sad and stupid death. And yes, people do think this about other types of accidental deaths. Hell, the Darwin Awards exist for a reason.

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littlestbirds - 2014-02-10 01:39 (UTC) - Expand

No, addiction is not sad. It's weak.

Addiction is a mental illness, it is a sickness.

You know, I used to see it that way, because I had never taken drugs, smoked or been drunk (so I couldn't empathize at all) until people reminded me that drug addiction is an illness. Once you've been addicted, you're addicted for life. It's not like an addict can turn it off. The brain is forever re-wired to the addiction.

I'm not trying to defend Jared here at all (in fact I don't like him much), but you just admitted to thinking the same way once upon a time. Maybe he is at the same stage you once were?

It definitely is an insensitive tweet, but it always raises my hackles a bit when people are all outraged over celebrities saying stuff that many people outside the internet bubble also wouldn't know/have wrong ideas about.
Not specifically talking about Jared here, but the internet tends to make celebrities into monsters over an offhand comment quite often these days. (Especially when there are words involved that many people don't know are considered offensive)

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I think a lot of it has to do with the notion that it was "too soon"-- this was bare hours after PSH had been found :(

a.) jared's tweet was WAY too soon.
b.) addiction is a disease and it IS sad. when people say it's not sad, the person deserved it, etc., it just moralizes it. phillip seymour hoffman did not mean to "throw his life away." he was a man with an addiction that he was obviously having difficulty overcoming. my dad used to be an alcoholic. if he had died of his alcoholism and someone told me it was not sad because he'd just thrown his life away, damn right i would be offended and pissed as fuck. addiction is a very difficult thing to overcome and people fuck up and relapse multiple times before they manage to recover fully, most times. a lot of the time people are never able to recover from it.

it was a really gross statement to make.

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OK, I figured I'd just reply to everyone here.

Now that you guys put it that way, I understand the other side of the argument, and I understand why some people find it offensive. I personally feel it is both -- it is sad that he was ultimately unable to help his addiction and died, but it is senseless that it happened in the first place.

Mental illness is a pretty touchy subject, so it's super easy to disagree on it.

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Perhaps because drug addiction is an illness? Also, how about showing some respect to his family/loved ones etc? This guy might think PSH's death isn't "sad", but I'm sure his family thinks it is.

Addiction is stupid. Phillip Seymour Hoffman knew that. Just watch any of his interviews, and you can see that he is clearly angry and frustrated that he was so addicted to drugs for such a long time.

But that doesn't mean he could just shake off the addiction because he acknowledges the stupidity of it. Addiction is an illness that never leaves.

For example, I have OCD and trichotillomania. In my head, I logically know that I don't need to wash my hands 7 times each time I come home, I don't need to lock and unlock and lock the door three times before I leave the house, and I don't need to pull out pieces of my hair whenever I'm idle. But that doesn't mean the compulsion will suddenly disappear just because I acknowledge that my behavior is silly.

Yes, because an illness (which addiction is) is something that you don't get because of "life experience" or because you "know better." That's not only a hurtful thing for him to say, it's motherfucking idiotic.

It's very sad for his children. It doesn't matter how someone dies, if they are your loved one, then yeah, it's sad.

Also I don't know who this guy is, but I bet he isn't as good an actor as Philip S H was. He's clearly an idiot as well, you don't speak like that about your colleagues, one day he might need to go for an audition with someone who was very close to him. Crazy.

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