[ SECRET POST #2598 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2598 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

A fandom is not a living, breathing thing that immediately attacks you the moment you set foot into it
No, not exactly. But it did attack the idea of Bela and Ruby before Season 3 even started when we knew nothing about them. And when I dared to like Bela, I was not really attacked, but told how wrong I was and how awful of a character she was. And heaven forbid when I tried to bring up discussions of how female characters were treated vs. male characters. So, no, the fandom was not a perfectly wonderful place where I could stay in my own corner, saying the things I wanted to say.

[(Anonymous)]

The weird thing is that seems to be the opinion I see most often lately. I think there were probably a lot of people who either agreed with you but were afraid of criticism or didn't think of it until later.

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AYRT

I think most of it was that people just didn't care enough to speak out against the majority. Because the overwhelming opinion I heard everywhere was "OMG, Bela is making the boys look stupid! No one can make them look stupid! She's so mean to them! I don't ever want to see her again! Why is she on the show? She shouldn't be on the show! How can anyone like her? She needs to die." Perhaps looking at how she died and/or how other female characters died after her, people who weren't part of the group bashing her but who didn't care enough to speak out at the time might now care enough? I don't know.

[(Anonymous)]

I really disliked Bela and Ruby 2 but the way they killed them really pissed me off because it was clear how disposable female characters were to the writers.

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AYRT

I think maybe this is part of why fandom seems to have shifted some, as the anon above you mentioned? At first it wasn't so obvious. There were very few female characters, but due to that, there really weren't too many female character deaths. (Well, other than the damsels in distress as part of the cases of the week. And the fridging of Sam's girlfriend. And the like.) Perhaps when more female characters died and were shown to be disposable, others started to care more? I don't know.

[(Anonymous)]

because it was clear how disposable female characters were to the writers.

Fixed it for you.

There was a shit ton of unnecessary fan-wank over Bela and Ruby-- before their introductory season even started, people were geared up to hate them. But I really wish people would stop acting like everyone on SPN doesn't die horribly and unnecessarily. Sometimes multiple times. Everyone dies. Everyone is disposable. If there's some misogynistic agenda the writers are adhering to, they're doing an awful job.

[(Anonymous)]

But how many female characters get brought back? I think that number is 0. So there is a difference.

[(Anonymous)]

A. There are way more male characters than female characters, so even if there are more male deaths than female deaths it still can be disproportionate. As I said above, look at the angels. How many were/are female? How many still alive are female? (Whether or not male angels died, that doesn't negate the fact that there was only one female angel and she died early.)

B. Look at the deaths. Bela, Dean, and Bobby all were supposed to go to hell. Which of the three was still in Hell last I checked? Which was saved by an angel? (Obviously Dean was never going to stay dead.) Which managed to get out of his deal? And even when Bobby died, he hung around as a ghost.

C. Look at the characters. Male characters dominate everything. In fact, things that Anna was supposed to do were given to Castiel. Also, Supernatural managed to make an episode without a single freaking female character in it. 11 male ones, though. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1222603/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast ) This should not happen in a show that is not set somewhere like a prison or something. So, yes, there are some misogynistic tendencies.

I can understand still liking the show. I can see what the appealing elements are. I cannot understand being blind to the problem the show has with women.