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I know for Disney at least it was because Walt Disney did not like cats- that's why the earlier movies have heroic dogs and evil cats (Lady and the Tramp, for example). That did change after he died, though, and we got characters like basically everyone in The Aristocats, Rufus from The Rescuers, and the cats from 101 Dalmations. I'm not sure about non-Disney things, though; I didn't grow up watching the Looney Tunes Cartoons or anything, so I can't comment on that. :/

Edited 2014-02-23 22:20 (UTC)

Wow fuck Walt Disney

Wow fuck you.

You'd like to wouldn't you.

Walt Disney was actually a greedy, racist, hater...so yeah, fuck him.

Eh, while I love cats, and was frustrated by them being shown as always chaotic evil, I'm honestly not bothered by it to "fuck Walt Disney" levels.

mte lol

What about the cat Figaro from Pinnochio?

I don't actually know anything about Pinnochio, sorry. That's one of the Disney movies I haven't actually seen. ^^;

Lady and the Tramp had cats as villains because domestic cats and dogs are viewed as rivals.

While that's true, did the cats in that movie really have to be as antagonistic as they were? Didn't they intentionally try to get Lady in trouble/muzzled? That's where I'm coming from with the whole "Walt Disney didn't like cats so most of the early movies do not show them in a positive light" thing.

Edited 2014-02-23 23:05 (UTC)

...because that's one if the main events in the popular story the movie was based on. Their behaviour served as the catalyst for Lady's banishment.

Huh, I am learning a lot today. I did not realize that that movie was based off of a short story.

I'm still not super clear on how we got to this point of the conversation, though? Because my claim was that Walt Disney didn't like cats, and thus movies made while he was alive tended to feature evil cats. While TL&TT is based on a short story (or a mix of a short story and some other things), that contained mean cats, that doesn't change the fact that Walt Disney chose to make that into a feature film, and there wasn't (as far as I can tell) any heroic cats in his movies until after his death.

Yep. And so were Bambi, 101 Dalmatians, and a lot of the other early Disney films that weren't based on fairy tales.

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loracarol - 2014-02-24 02:28 (UTC) - Expand

101 Dalmatians was made during Walt Disney's life and he did have some input (was the producer, in fact), and it does feature a heroic cat. As others have said, Figaro is a good cat, and that was the second Disney movie ever made! There's also a number of shorts featuring him. Bagheera is a big cat, so maybe it doesn't count, but he's obviously good too.

poisonivory - 2014-02-25 00:49 (UTC) - Expand

Also, they were incredibly racist Asian caricature cats.

With a catchy song.

lol no. They're the breed of cat that is known for having the most issues with dogs and children. Siamese cats in general HATE children and will wait for parents to leave the room and then attack infants and toddlers. They're more blatant about attacking dogs and don't wait until they're alone with them.

I love Disney, but they were racist caricatures. Their evilness, IMO, didn't have to do with their race, but for the obvious fact they're called "Siamese". But they are portrayed as caricatures.

source?

don't forget Oliver and Company omgggg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb7kJ-j_dKA

cute lil baby

Oh gosh that movie is adorable, yes!

(Post-Disney's death, I'm pretty sure?)

BUT SO ADORABLE

There's the Don Bluth movies, which have both heroic and villainous cats. Tiger from the Fievel movies is good, and Cat R. Waul is a not-satanic kind of villain. then there's the cat in Secret of Nimh.

Then again, few of those cats are shown interacting with humans, so I don't know if that changes anything.

Oh yeah! I didn't watch those a lot growing up, but yeah! Those totally count!

I posted something similar upthread (and sorry for the late reply) but Disney was pretty neutral toward cats. They ended up as the villains a lot because of the situations (mice or dog protagonists, for example.) If you look at the older shorts, there were plenty of cats who were friends with Mickey and Company and the main reason they probably didn't get named was because of Felix. The oldest recurring cartoon character for Disney was actually an unnamed cat character in the Alice shorts and before Mickey, Oswald had a cat girlfriend (and Pete was a bear, probably got changed to a cat when the protagonist went from a rabbit to a mouse).
Aristocats was made largely because they realized they had an over-abundance of cat villains and wanted to address that, but there's not indication it was ever intentional.