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This reminds me of a similar pet peeve I have. I hate how cats are almost universally villainous in Western animation, to the point where animators seem incapable of drawing a cat that looks like a cat as opposed to a minor demon trying to look like a cat.

~~*coughcough* Aristocats yay *cough*~~ And if it's a black cat? Holy shit, irredeemable.

*BUSTS THROUGH FLOOR*

EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE A CAT

I know for Disney at least it was because Walt Disney did not like cats- that's why the earlier movies have heroic dogs and evil cats (Lady and the Tramp, for example). That did change after he died, though, and we got characters like basically everyone in The Aristocats, Rufus from The Rescuers, and the cats from 101 Dalmations. I'm not sure about non-Disney things, though; I didn't grow up watching the Looney Tunes Cartoons or anything, so I can't comment on that. :/

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Wow fuck Walt Disney

Wow fuck you.

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Eh, while I love cats, and was frustrated by them being shown as always chaotic evil, I'm honestly not bothered by it to "fuck Walt Disney" levels.

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What about the cat Figaro from Pinnochio?

I don't actually know anything about Pinnochio, sorry. That's one of the Disney movies I haven't actually seen. ^^;

Lady and the Tramp had cats as villains because domestic cats and dogs are viewed as rivals.

While that's true, did the cats in that movie really have to be as antagonistic as they were? Didn't they intentionally try to get Lady in trouble/muzzled? That's where I'm coming from with the whole "Walt Disney didn't like cats so most of the early movies do not show them in a positive light" thing.

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Also, they were incredibly racist Asian caricature cats.

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don't forget Oliver and Company omgggg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb7kJ-j_dKA

cute lil baby

Oh gosh that movie is adorable, yes!

(Post-Disney's death, I'm pretty sure?)

BUT SO ADORABLE

There's the Don Bluth movies, which have both heroic and villainous cats. Tiger from the Fievel movies is good, and Cat R. Waul is a not-satanic kind of villain. then there's the cat in Secret of Nimh.

Then again, few of those cats are shown interacting with humans, so I don't know if that changes anything.

Oh yeah! I didn't watch those a lot growing up, but yeah! Those totally count!

I posted something similar upthread (and sorry for the late reply) but Disney was pretty neutral toward cats. They ended up as the villains a lot because of the situations (mice or dog protagonists, for example.) If you look at the older shorts, there were plenty of cats who were friends with Mickey and Company and the main reason they probably didn't get named was because of Felix. The oldest recurring cartoon character for Disney was actually an unnamed cat character in the Alice shorts and before Mickey, Oswald had a cat girlfriend (and Pete was a bear, probably got changed to a cat when the protagonist went from a rabbit to a mouse).
Aristocats was made largely because they realized they had an over-abundance of cat villains and wanted to address that, but there's not indication it was ever intentional.

Agreed. When I was a kid I got really drawn to Garfield simply because Garfield wasn't an all out villain and he felt more genuinely cat like then anything Looney Tunes or Disney produced. When you're a little kid who is a cat lover, it gets very tiresome to have the cat always be the villain.

That is probably the exact same reason why I loved Garfield so much as a kid too

I think this is why I was drawn to Garfield so much as well.

This so much! I was a cat loving kid, and it would bother me so much to see cats as "evil" - not like, a single cat, but the implication that they are all evil. Frankly, "this specie is evil" is probably not a good message to show kids, anyway.

Eh, I love my cats but they do frequently look like minor demons.

Is there an animal that doesn't?

Cats are evil, and cat people are their unwitting minions.

Dogs are slightly less evil only insofar as they're generally too dumb to realize what a gigantic pain in the ass they are. Cats are well aware of the fact, and they either don't fucking care or actively take pleasure in it.

I blame the idea in Western society of cats being witches' familiars.