[ SECRET POST #2614 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2614 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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13. [WARNING for incest]

[How I Live Now]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

False rape allegations are between 2% and 10% with best guesses being towards the higher end of that range.

plz stop feeding MRAs by pretending they almost never happen.

It's the exact ammo they're looking for. We can make good arguments for how problematic it is to focus on them without telling lies.

[(Anonymous)]

2 to 10% is pretty goddamn rare. That still means the vast majority of rape allegations are not false. Somewhere north of 90% are not false. I don't think it's wrong to point that fact out. It's certainly not lying, and it only bolsters the argument that it's problematic to focus on them too much.

[(Anonymous)]

it's problematic to focus on them too much

What?

[(Anonymous)]

Er. Not sure what your objection is there, although I'm very open to the idea that I said something stupid (don't like using problematic in that way in the first place either).

What I mean is that there's a tendency for certain people (especially MRA types) to talk a lot about the prevalence of false rape accusations, and use that to make arguments against the idea of investigating rape in general and all that kind of thing. But it's wrong to treat those instances of false accusations as normal, or to assume that when someone is accused of rape that's going on - to assign them too much statistical prominence, I guess.

Of course when they happen they're wrong and no one should make a false rape accusation, I'm not trying to say it doesn't matter when they happen. But they don't happen much and treating them as normative is wrong and implies a lot of wrong assumptions.

Does that make sense? I'm sorry if I'm talking nonsense, I haven't had much to eat today.

[(Anonymous)]

fuck off.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't feed MRAs. I don't even pay attention to them.

[(Anonymous)]

I can agree with this. The specific percentage isn't so important to me as the attitude that an accused rapist automatically equals an actual rapist and should be treated as such, because, um, innocent until proven guilty? Kind of an important legal concept that we'd better work to protect if we want it to apply to us whenever a woman is accused of anything.

An accusation of rape should always be taken seriously and never dismissed out of hand, but that isn't the same thing as saying it should be automatically believed without giving the accused a chance to defend themselves against the charges.

[sarillia]

The innocent until proven guilty thing is a bit complicated in the case of rape. Usually most people are assumed guilty in the court of public opinion, but people are often much more skeptical of the victims in rape cases than with other crimes. So some people have tried to encourage a more sympathetic attitude toward rape victims by saying that we should assume that they're telling the truth. Based on what I've seen, a rape accusation isn't as damaging to a reputation as people think most of the time. So I'm inclined to think that most people don't have much to gain by falsely accusing someone. Doesn't mean I would convict someone without evidence but I'm not going to use "innocent until proven guilty" as a reason to badger someone who says they were raped either.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Badger, no. I draw a distinction between reserving judgement until all the facts have been presented and weighed, and assuming the accuser is lying.

I'm sorry to say that I have no trouble believing that some people would accuse a wealthy person of rape in the hope of getting paid off to make the problem go away. Mainly because at this point I can believe almost any sick scheme people (not singling out women here, mind you, just human beings generally) might come up with to get rich quick at someone else's expense. But I'd never just assume that was what was going on, I merely wouldn't discount the possibility.

[(Anonymous)]

"a rape accusation isn't as damaging to a reputation as people think most of the time"

'Bullied to death' for daring to stand up to drug dealers: Schoolboy, 16, died after he was falsely accused of raping a girl by yobs who terrorised his neighbourhood(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2517975/Schoolboy-16-killed-falsely-accused-tying-girl-tree-raping-her.html)

Brian Banks, Jailed On False Rape Charge, Sees Dream Come True As Atlanta Falcons Sign Him(http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2013/04/03/brian-banks-jailed-on-false-rape-charge-sees-dream-come-true-as-atlanta-falcons-sign-him)

GREELEY — A former University of Northern Colorado student who was banned from campus because of a false accusation of rape is now suing his accuser.(http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_11973765)

Virginia Woman Falsely Accuses Man Of Rape And Sends Him Away For Four Years Before Recanting … Given Just 60 Days In Jail To Be Served On Weekends(http://jonathanturley.org/2013/08/20/virginia-woman-falsely-accuses-man-of-rape-and-sends-him-away-for-four-years-before-recanting-given-just-60-days-in-jail-to-be-served-on-weekends/)

A Wymore man wrongfully accused of sexual assault is asking for a jury trial to assess damages done by Gage County and several sheriff’s deputies.(http://www.cotwa.info/2013/01/wymore-man-sues-after-false-rape.html)

"In 1989, Gary Dotson became the United States’ first innocent prisoner to be exonerated through DNA evidence. Dotson had already served 10 years of a 25-50 year sentence for aggravated kidnapping and rape. Although his accuser recanted her story in 1985 and said she made it up to cover a sexual encounter with her boyfriend, a judge refused to order a new trial, saying that the complainant’s original testimony was more convincing than her recantation. In 1988, Dotson’s defense attorney conducted previously unavailable DNA tests, which ultimately proved his innocence. An innocent man served 10 years for a crime he didn’t commit, and which even his accuser admitted never even happened."

[(Anonymous)]

Perhaps a good way to balance the need to presume the innocence of the accused and avoid putting the victim on trial is to give the alleged-victim the benefit of the doubt that the rape took place, but retain the presumption of innocence that the accused was the one who did it? Just as sort of a general guideline that may not be applicable to all cases. Because due process is important and should be preserved, but I think we agree that the way rape victims are treated both by the justice system and in the court of public opinion is deplorable. idk, just tossing out ideas.

[(Anonymous)]

And what are the best estimates on rapes that aren't reported?

If we're going to get into a discussion about false positives, let's have the stats on false negatives, too.

[(Anonymous)]

You realize you're pretty much doing what the OP is complaining about, i.e. saying "We can never talk about false rape accusations, let's talk about literally anything else instead." I mean, you do know that was a straight derail attempt you just tried, yes?

[ariakas]

But that puts them in line with false allegations of just about every other crime.

Why aren't we talking about false murder allegations? Those sure as shit would damage one's personal and professional life just as badly. Where's the outrage?

[(Anonymous)]

Allegations of violent crime outside robbery are much lower than the average false reporting rate.

[diet_poison]

Isn't that about the same as the rate for other crimes though??

Why do false rape allegations get special treatment as So Problematic, Oppression Against Menz when it's not demonstrably a problem outside of "some people make false crime allegations"?

[(Anonymous)]

Because a lot of people saying that are dumb dicks. I had more here before but that's really what it comes down to.

[(Anonymous)]

Aren't you doing EXACTLY what the OP is saying is a bad habit? Attempting to find a way to write them off as not important, to avoid discussing or thinking about them?

[(Anonymous)]

Also, relevant: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2013/08/23/i-am-a-false-rape-allegation-statistic/

[(Anonymous)]

>hysterical womans anecdote = more accurate than hundreds of highly trained statisticians and researchers

moderm feminism ladies and gentlemen

[diet_poison]

holy shit, that's so horrible

D:

[(Anonymous)]

I'd amend that a bit; from what I've read, the 2-10% range is in line with other false reports of crimes, but it only counts cases where a report was actually made to the police.

The false accusations I've seen (and yes, I've seen multiple cases; I'm afraid I knew some fucked-up people when I was younger) never involved the police. One was a whisper campaign, a rumor spread on purpose to hurt someone. Another was a social ploy to get sympathy and attention, without any regard for the feelings of the person accused.

Ask yourself: how many people have you known who would maliciously spread rumors to hurt someone? How many people have you known who would make things up for attention? Do you think those people all make one exception to the lies they'll tell, leaving out rape because that would be uncouth? People online routinely lie about having terminal diseases just to get attention, after all.

This kind of thing is, in my view, yet another manifestation of rape culture. When the very way society talks about sex enables rape culture, it also enables the development of things adapted to live within that culture. When we're conditioned to make these mental exceptions for rape as opposed to other crimes, we open the possibility for people to exploit those exceptions. That's why we have to work to end rape culture, to change the horrible statistics and the horrible attitudes that give rise to them. But I don't think we can do that by pretending that one of rape culture's manifestations doesn't exist or isn't important or shouldn't ever be mentioned.

I know I'll probably get called an MRA for saying this, but that's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you think those people all make one exception to the lies they'll tell, leaving out rape because that would be uncouth?

It's not about being "uncouth." Anyone who has seen how real rape victims get raked over the coals for coming forward with what happened to them is probably going to think twice before putting themselves through that when they haven't been raped themselves. A lot of people who are raped don't tell anyone about it because of the way rape victims are treated by the people around them, the media, and the police or other authority figures who are supposed to be helping them.

[riddian]

Exactly how much lower than ten freaking percent do they need to be to qualify as "almost never"? I don't understand how your second paragraph is supposed to follow from your first.

[(Anonymous)]

1. source

2. are you counting the amount of rapes that arent reported

3. who cares about men