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Eh. Only kink I shame is underage that focuses on how sexy it is for an adult to fuck children (babies to thirrteen-ish). If nothing else because stories and art of this is you know...illegal in many places.

And honestly if you are writing and getting off to people raping babies, I think you need to reevaluate your life.

THANK you. While I think in some cases people just see it as a separation of what's okay IRL versus online/in fanfic, I worry about people doing other things that are definitely not okay. Or legal. What if they're using the same logic people who write/draw this sort of stuff are?

Person writes a story about a man raping an infant. TERRIBLE!!!!!!

Person writes a story about John Winchester raping infant Dean. HEY! DON'T KINK SHAME!!!! IT IS JUST A FIC! IT ISN' REAL!!!!

Sorry, but if you think giving the story characters the names of your fav TV Show/movie/game/whatever makes it suddenly okay....you are wrong.

Exactly.

(And ew, please tell me that's not a real fic?)

I once saw the summary of a fic on the SPN kink meme (incidentally the reason I have never gone back) that was Dean and Sam (or Jensen and Jared) having sex with their infant son (while also engaging in watersports of some kind).

And yeah, I have seen some John/baby!Dean stuff.

Hate to break it to you, but there's definitely more than one fic with that theme

STAY AWAY FROM THE SPN KINK MEME.

If we go with the "orientation is not a choice" idea about paedophilia, then where is the harm in a paedophile who knows that his orientation is legally wrong trying to get his kicks from written or drawn from imagination media?

If he's using photographs or videos of real children, or art drawn from those, or abusing real children himself, then obviously that is wrong. But fictional fantasy that features no real children... if it satisfies their urges, then we shouldn't shame them for it.

I have no idea if it's a healthy treatment for pedophilia to read fic/watch animated porn. I mean, no one real is harmed, so I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with that, but I'd imagine an actual treatment plan would focus on avoiding situations where kids are portrayed as sexual. But if it works for that person? Sure. I'd much rather they read underage fic than download real child porn.

I also kinda resent you using "orientation" to describe pedophilia. I'd say it's a disorder, and not a choice, but let's not use an anthem for legitimizing LGB people for pedophilia, too.

I don't think that is how it works. Imagine a pedophile being the same as an an addict. When an addict goes through therapy they don't say, "Well you can have a bit of meth now and again. That's alright." You have to cut it off and NEVER indulge again. Because if you start with just drawn/written materials, it can very quickly cause a pedophile to relapse or increase their need for the real thing (the same way people are always chasing a better high).

I don't think it works like that.

Indulge never again in real life - definitely yes. Entirely repress that part of themselves and have no therapeutic outlet ever whatsoever - that sounds like an extremely bad idea.

NAYRT

The therapy/rehabilitation programs I am aware of place great importance on voluntary celibacy in all areas of sexual life.

It's not an orientation. It's a very serious disorder and it should be treated as such, not indulged in in ways that are "less" harmful.

1. paedophilia is not an orientation.

2. paedophiles who are actually struggling with their unhealthy sexual urges do not seek out even fictional child porn, because it normalizes those urges and is the opposite of helpful.

The majority of the folks enjoying that smut are imagining themselves as the kid being raped. Do they need to reevaluate their lives too? What criteria are you using?

How do you know that? Do you imagine that? Are their little groups of people just talking about this?

And yes, they probably do need to figure out why they are imagining themselves as an infant being raped.

How do I know that? Because I actually study these issues and engage with people, that's how. I don't just make up whatever assumptions help me feel morally superior to others. Yes, there are groups of people who talk about this. Maybe listen to some of them next time.

Sorry if I don't believe an anon on the internet telling me they "study these things". Is your thesis called "Underage Rape Fanfic And How It Can Be Used To Treat Pedophilia."

And please, direct me to some groups. I would love to talk with them and ask their opinion on the matter.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ageplay+community

Best of luck!

Ageplay is very different from pedophilia and rape...Is that the best you have? Links to something completely different from the topic at hand?

Okay, yeah, you really need to stop talking about stuff you don't know anything about. You're just embarrassing yourself now. If you honestly don't understand how underage FIC ties in with ageplay, then... look, I'm sorry, you're not really qualified to talk about this. But hey, if you don't want to do research, I can't make you. Just stop acting as though you're anything other than ignorant of the subject, and we're cool.

And you keep doing your "research".

Deal. I keep learning, you stop talking. I'm glad we could come to mutually agreeable terms. Looking forward to never hearing from you about shit you don't understand again.

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