[ SECRET POST #2631 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2631 ⌋

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Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

You know, like when "everyone knows" that Lois Lane is in love with Superman and not Clark Kent even though this hasn't been true since the 1980s.

Or when "everyone knows" that Watchmen is the name of a superhero team even though it really, really isn't.

Or when "everyone knows" that Darth Vader blew up Alderaan even though it was actually Grand Moff Tarkin.

Or when "everyone knows" that Vulcans have no emotions, when they actually have very strong emotions that they keep under strict control.

That sort of thing. Be as nitpicky and snobby and "damn kids get off my lawn" as you want -- that's part of the fun!

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[diet_poison]

re: the third one: didn't DV give the order, though? I feel like he's pretty damn culpable on that front.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, Tarkin actually sorta outranked Vader at that point, and he gave the order. Vader just didn't try to stop him.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[diet_poison]

Ah, thanks for clarifying. Obviously I need to rewatch these movies.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, he just stood there like a giant emo-robot while Tarkin verbally bitched slapped his daughter around. Tarkin gave the order when it turned out that Leia only gave up a target that wasn't important enough to be worth explodifying. Apart from being an emo-robot and a deadbeat violent dad, does Vader himself even do anything really villainous in the entire original series?

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[dethtoll]

"DC reboots all the time, no point in reading it!"

NO. IT. FUCKING. DOESN'T.

The DCU has only had two complete, clean-slate reboots in 25 years. Crisis on Infinite Earths and Flashpoint. There have been one or two events that changed a few minor details (Zero Hour and Infinite Crisis) but by and large the DCU was left intact from 1986 to 2011 and has remained so following the New 52 reboot. An event that brings a multitude of minor retcons is NOT A REBOOT. Infinite Crisis is NOT A REBOOT. Final Crisis is NOT A REBOOT (it didn't even really retcon anything!) Zero Hour was NOT A REBOOT (except for Legion of Superheroes, which nobody even reads.) Fucking... I dunno, Bloodlines, was NOT A REBOOT.

Just... arrrrgh.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[intrigueing]

YES. And this is why everyone going "lol, the New 52 isn't that big a deal" piss me off so much.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[kamino_neko]

The DCU has only had two complete, clean-slate reboots in 25 years. Crisis on Infinite Earths and Flashpoint.

And neither of them was all that clean-slate. Vast swaths had only small changes, or lagged behind on the changes.

If you were only reading Batman, you'd hardly notice either. (IIRC, the only significant change post-Crisis was Jason being changed from a red-headed Dick, to a black-haired dick.)

If you were only reading Legion, you'd hardly notice either for a couple years. (Right up until they started piling on retcons post CoIE, and right up until the last panel of the last issue post-Flashpoint.)

If you were only reading Green Lantern, you'd hardly notice the changes in the New 52. (I haven't read GL from around Crisis, so I don't know how significant the changes were there.)

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

This is going way back into the old days, but...people assuming that Huggy Bear on Starsky & Hutch was a pimp.

Not just because he wasn't a pimp, but because in Starsky & Hutch's universe, pimps were the second-worst, vilest kind of scum in existence (the first-worst being corrupt wealthy capitalists in wood-paneled offices), and Starsky and Hutch would never, ever happily associate with a pimp, let alone befriend one.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I blame the movie for a large part of this, but seriously--Huggy Bear was just street-cool, no pimping required.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[forgottenjester]

The Vulcan thing is irritating.


“Everyone knows Cecil has a third eye and tentacles." Look, I like all headcanons but none of them are actual canon, okay?

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[ryttu3k]

I once saw someone get into a screaming range because "OMG EVERYONE KNOWS THAT CECIL IS BLONDE, BRUNETTE CECIL IS OOC".

Probably doesn't help that when a lot of media does cover WTNV, it usually says, "Fandom is so united, they've come up with a completely consistent idea of a skinny white guy with blonde hair, glasses, sweatervests, a third eye, moving tattoos, and sometimes tentacles!" and only show fanart that shows that. No we have NOT, goddammit, there are so many diverse designs that are completely ignored in favour of 'muh three eyes and tentacles!'.

Like. Literally all we know is that he can be identified as a man, not tall and not short, not fat and not thin, has hair, eyes, and a nose, has worn a tie at least once, wears shoes, has legs, and is one of the 47% of Night Valeans who feels pain. Holy fuck, there are SO many appearances that can work with that! Why limit yourself to one design, over and over and over again?

...And I started ranting. Sorry about that!

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

"The American Girl books (historical) are just about white girls with no real problems."

This is what people who haven't followed the collection since they were kids themselves think, and when they kindasorta hear news about it, they assume it's gotten worse with the all-whiteness when it's really gotten a lot better.

"So I hear they're retiring Molly... well whatever, they'll just replace her with another privileged white girl." Yes, Molly was just retired. You know what other dolls have been retired? Know what they have in common? All of them are white. Meanwhile many of those were replaced with dolls of color. As for the "have no real problems," some of the newest white girls' stories are about living in the middle of a plague and in a war zone. No, no problems at all.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[greenvelvetcake]

Wait what?? One of the original girls was Addy! Addy was a black girl who escaped from slavery with her family! What the hell?

You tell me who these people are and I will cut them. No one messes with Addy.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

The more I hear about American Girl, the cooler it sounds. We're getting a store in my city sometime this year, and I kinda want to check it out.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

No! Molly?! I loved Molly! She was probably my...third? favorite! Who else is gone?

Anyway, this kind of frustrates me, because I really related to Molly, and I drew inspiration from her as a kid. No, her problems weren't huge and meaningful, but neither were mine.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[abharding]

Thing is I could the present day American Girl "Girl of the Year" books - and the very first American Girl books where all white girls but although some of the problems those girls faced were not exactly no big deal.

Regarding the yellow fiver plague. While my niece was reading/being read the Cecile (who was a black girl) & Marie Grace books, all some of the dolls in her dollhouse came down with yellow fever.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[scrubber]

I should seriously keep a list of all the stupid things the ATLA fandom things. Dumb dumb dumb people.

One post was circulating about how in Korra they thought that the symbols for each nation had been changed, when actually there have always been two sets on symbols in the world. One for the nation, and one for the bending. Both of those symbols have been around for the entire series. Like what the fuck.

Then there's the commonly accepted knowledge that the previous Avatars were all telling Aang to kill Fire Lord Ozai. No they fucking didn't. Actually pay attention to what they say, the show is really obvious about it too. They even explicitly say "HERE IS MY ADVICE TO YOU" before they each say:

"Only justice will bring peace."

"Aang, you must actively shape your own destiny and the destiny of the world."

"You must be decisive."

"Selfless duty calls you to sacrifice your own spiritual needs, and do whatever it takes to protect the world."

Aang interprets it that way ("All these past Avatars. They keep telling me I'm gonna have to do it. They don't get it.") because he's not thinking straight, he's not thinking out of the box yet. Then he DOES take their advice, all of it. He didn't blow them off, they would be proud of his clever mind and good heart. And-- GOD-

/throws a monk out the window

HERE'S THE GODDAMN TRANSCRIPT JUST READ IT.

http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Transcript:Sozin%27s_Comet,_Part_2:_The_Old_Masters

NO DEATH. NOTHING. HOW DARE YOU ASSHOLES SLANDER KYOSHI THIS WAY. FUCK ME.

Well, to be fair

[insanenoodlyguy]

The rest might be a bit vague, though if you accept the comics as canon it's make clearer Roku was pretty much saying exactly that.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I figured at least part of that was the usual Never Say Die kids-show thing. But in general, I take your point.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, Vulcans try their hardest to give that impression, so I'm not surprised when people believe it.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

CAPTAIN AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH.

CAPTAIN AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE SUPERHUMAN STRENGTH.

CAPTAIN MOTHERFUCKING AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE SUPER-GODDAMNED-HUMAN FUCKING STRENGTH, YOU PACK OF MOTHERLESS BASTARDS.

No. I do not care where you picked up this flatly wrong notion. I do not care and literally nothing you say can make me care, so don't waste your time and insult my intelligence by trying. No, it wasn't in the movies. Yes, I can prove it.

Over and over, for DECADES, the comics have worked very, very, unnecessarily hard to make one thing clear: Captain America operates at peak human levels of strength, speed, coordination, etc. Peak human, and no more. They have spent as much time on this as they've spent on any aspect of his history and character.

This is important because of what Captain America represents. He is the ideal of what we COULD be, as individuals and as a nation. He is, almost definitionally, what is best in us.

The most important line about Captain America is "Ordinary people could do a lot of what he does... if we cared as much. And if we tried as hard."

Giving him superhuman strength wrecks that symbolic value. It's like giving Batman the power to teleport or making Superman not from Krypton. So on the few occasions where canon-ish writers have mistakenly identified Cap as having super-strength, THEY ARE WRONG. They're as wrong as if they made Spider-Man a millionaire playboy or Rorschach a straightforward protagonist.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

You can lay that at the feet of the writers and artists. If you show a character doing things that are literally impossible for normal Earth humans to accomplish, people are going to refer to them as superhuman. Reality is our reference point for that kind of shit.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

The most important line about Captain America is "Ordinary people could do a lot of what he does... if we cared as much. And if we tried as hard."

And if we were shot full of steroids and other super-soldier chemicals.

At least with Batman we know he loathes super-steroid users and has done it all himself, even if his untold billions help, but Cap is the Lance Armstrong of the Marvel universe. He can do things which might as well be super-human, but only because he is on super-drugs.

Re: Annoying misconceptions people have about things you're a fan of?

[(Anonymous)]

Tolkien elves are in general all good guys.