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[ SECRET POST #2632 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2632 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Game of Thrones]

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[Patrick Stump / Fall Out Boy]

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[Men in Black, Agent Coulson]

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[Twin Peaks]

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[Defenders of Berk/How To Train Your Dragon 2]

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[Lily Allen]

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[Attack on Titan]

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[The Brittas Empire]

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[Panic! at the Disco]

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[Frozen]

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Too incompatible. The MIB would effectively be useless at this point, with established alien presences on earth being common knowledge.

Not really? Since S.H.I.E.L.D has its hands full with people like Dr. Doom and whatnot, they need a branch like M.I.B to deal with all the mostly-benign but still awkward aliens on-planet.

MIB's goal is obfuscation and surpression. Suppression of the truth. Protection also happens, but that is not the sole goal.

If the MIB's existed in the MCU, then they would have failed utterly and repeatedly so many times by this point that they'd probably just get absorbed into shield.

Now that plot could work as a fic, the dawing of heroes, and musing on just too goddamn much happening and MIB just couldn't handle it and the aftermath of that.

But no way they could be existing as separate entities anymore.

Hrmmmmm....well, until the really public stuff, superheroes weren't public, either, and they certainly suppressed Thor and Loki until giant space-turtle things came down on New York.....

But i totally see it happening in a fan-fic way, with the agencies working hand-in-hand to keep the general public knowledge suppressed as to the extent of aliens and such, and SHIELD kind of doing the 'ease them into it gently with heroic heroes' and such. MIB would have this vast field of knowledge about aliens and possibly/hopefully some allies in case of other, evil aliens (like - backup for when the Chitauri came!!) and be leaking alien tech and whatnot out to the public as SHIELD does photo-ops with Iron Man.

The headcanon is just too awesome to give up on it.

SHIELD used to do that in the MCU until first Tony Stark opened his mouth and admitted to being Iron Man at the end of the first IM movie, then Thor and his kind came and tore up a town, then came Loki and NY and SHIELD couldn't hide the truth about superheroes and aliens anymore.

But shield has multiple facets and failed at one of them. MIB would have failed at it's core directive.

Also, not equivalent. Everybody knew who Captain America was. He, and Hydra, are part of history. Tony brought it back out, but this world had already had a brush with strange. Or do you think all those regular soldiers clammed up and Agent Coulson's trading cards were something that only shield agents ever had?

Edited 2014-03-19 00:02 (UTC)

I can see your point. However, I would argue that while the world was exposed to aliens with Thor and Loki and the invasion, that isn't the same thing as the world of aliens that the MiB were hiding. I think it is much different to have people accept that there are aliens out there that are a threat that we must protect ourselves from than to have people accept that their neighbor is an alien wearing a person suit. Hell, people can't even accept gays and lesbians and all of the humans who are different than they are. I don't think they would do well having to co-exist with aliens on a daily basis.

The problem with this would be that there's too many cracks now.

We know there are aliens that don't especially like the status quo. Incidents like these have chain reactions. You'd have aliens going "fuck it, jigs up!" and ripping disguises off left and right. You'd also have all those little things people "ignore" as MIB put it suddenly getting noticed as people were forced to reorient their worldview.

To use your analogy, all the gay people didn't come out all at once, and some still havent, but as more people did start coming out, important people, famous people, beloved people, that effect snowballed. I don't see it going any differently here.

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Everything you're describing sounds like it would make for a very interesting fic, tbh.

Oh I agree, if it's done that way it works.

But having both organizations just...exist together, that does not. The way to go I'd figure is one of three routes

A. War. MIB are going to mindwipe EVERYBODY. Shield has something to say about that (note this is consistent with the characterization of the origional comic MIB, who were at best Lawful Neutral and usually worse)

B. Fusion/Fall: Looking at the grand eye opening of the world as it unfolds like I mentioned above and what happens to the MIB.

C. Aftermath. Say, an older Jay advising his young son/ward Coulson about not repeating his mistakes, perhaps dusting off the old suit because a problem's come up that he can help with, or was part of back in the day.

Edited 2014-03-19 00:39 (UTC)

It would occur to me that SHIELD might be the only agency that the MIB interact with directly. SHIELD handles the weird shit that appears to be completely earthly in origin, while the MIB handle the alien stuff.

Of course, that all changes when the hammer comes down. SHIELD got there first, there's no indication that it's alien, so the discussion in the secret happens. By the time they know that it's first contact with an alien species that they have no existing treaty with (although the argument that they're dealing with real gods is used by SHIELD solely to muddy up the jurisdictional waters), Agent Coulson is the only one that Thor seems to respond to. Also, Thor is too public to bottle up now. People will know that something alien exists out there, but that's still a far cry from knowing the vast extent to which they've infiltrated Earth society. The MIB can continue their work providing a refuge for aliens on Earth for aliens that needed it. Technically it's the MIB's field, but what's the worst that could happen?

The battle of New York, that's what. Full on alien invasion in the MIB's hometown, and they're caught with their pants down, because of what looks to the higher-ups of the MIB as a blatant act of nepotism. You don't want to be Agent Kay right now. Nobody does. Nevermind that approximately half of the MIB would have made the same call, he's the one that did, and because Coulson is his son, it looks extra bad. He's the fall guy and the best case scenario is that, in deference to his status as one of the founding members and his vast knowledge base, he's probably on desk duty for the rest of his life, with a very short leash.

While I'm sure you're right, there are a large number of aliens that don't want to hide anymore, but I doubt it'll be that much different from what they deal with every day. Those with bad intentions don't generally need the excuse, while those with good intentions would have to be extra stupid to risk the consequences of public exposure so soon after an alien invasion devastated a major city.

What the MIB need to focus on is protecting the aliens who have found a home on Earth. New York is not the ideal place for aliens right now, so relocating is the first priority. Get the aliens off planet that can, relocate the ones that can't, spread word about the new mental disorder rising in the wake of New York called the "My Teacher is an Alien" syndrome, a variant of Capgras syndrome in which people are convinced their neighbors are aliens (it can be cured after a simple eye exam at one of the many private hospitals around New York). Maybe organize some public, friendly first contact situations with alien species such as the Worms and/or the Arquilians.

The MIB organization can survive, but it's purpose will need to change. They've got the infrastructure, the knowledge, and the relationships necessary to give Earth a safe place in intergalactic society from here on out. Maybe that requires them to go public, maybe they stay as secret as they can while towing the official line that only two alien species have been to Earth (The Chitauri and the Asgardians). Again, their skills and knowledge are too necessary to throw away, regardless of the scope of their failure with the battle of New York.

Marvel comics canon already has an agency to handle "alien" stuff: SWORD (Sentient World Observation and Response Department); they do also appear in the films, as a brief reference in the alternate ending to Thor that was included on the Phase 1 Blu-ray box set.

Of course, that still leaves open the possibility that the MiBs could be a field division within SWORD, or maybe they're the predecessor agency to SWORD in the same way that the SSR was the predecessor agency to SHIELD. Food for thought.

A brief reference in an alternate ending included in a special edition box set is not quite the same as being "in the movies."

Also SWORD deals with external alien threats. There simply is no equivalent in the Marvel universe of the Men in Black from the movies and cartoon. Because they don't just protect the human race from alien threats, they also protect aliens from the human race. There's a vast network of alien tourists, immigrants, etc that the MIB set up to blend into Earth society, and nobody in the MU and especially not the MCU does that.

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