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⌈ Secret Post #2638 ⌋

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That's precisely why I dropped it.

That's why I haven't started reading it. Honestly, it already looks like it's reached the ran-out-of-ideas point.

Yep.

It's already ran out of ideas. That ship sailed a while ago.

The annoying part is the author said he was going to wrap it up after 20 volumes or so, and that's why I DID read it, and then he fucking comes along and says "lol whoops it's too popular to stop I'm going to change the ending and keep going".

He didn't say that. He said that he's thinking of changing the ending because the original one was too tragic, and that the manga will be longer than he thought because he wants to develop the characters. So he isn't adding fillers, it's just that instead on focusing only on the plot, he will give the characters more pages.

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personally, I was glad when I heard that, because I think giving a series like this a "rocks fall, everybody dies" ending is annoying and lazy writing. And character development is a positive thing, especially because this series is actually kind of sparse on that. If anything, I think he needs to shorten battle scenes because some of them are way too long and not actually very interesting.

This.

Plus is well know than in the manga industry, when an author makes a manga longer than it should it isn't because the author when "ups, too popular to stop" but because the editorial department had that reaction and pressured the author to make the story longer.
(Which isn't the case with SnK as far as we know, but if that happens? Blame Kodansha, not Isayama)

I find it hard to believe that's actually the reason though. I guess I'm just cynical but I've had too many bad experiences with neverending popular shounen shows.

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I'm actually going to be the voice of dissent: I don't think he's reached the winging it stage at all.
You can dislike the plot; you can say that it's done stupid shit; you can say that it's badly paced. But so far a lot of this stuff has actually been foreshadowed in some way or another, or at least, it feels to me like it's been finagled reasonably into a single plot.
Also, things are moving at a decent pace in terms of development. We haven't had any "training arcs", for instance (there was ONE training montage so far and it was actually kind of interesting and only about 3 pages).

Also I heard somewhere that he's aiming for 80 chapters (which means more like 100, but fine). I'm personally really REALLY hoping that's true.

So I get you, and personally I'm following the manga for now and hoping I won't be betrayed by it, but I'm hoping. I've read a lot of shounen in my day, and this one isn't structured like the usual shounen series which just has a starting point and everything beyond it is empty space. They are actually aiming for something specific and they've got a time constraint.

So like I said: the pacing may be way off, but I don't feel like he's shooting wildly into the ether, either.

I actually agree. Every important thing that has happened has been foreshadowed way ahead of time. I really get the sense that he knows where he wants to go with the characters. He might have had to rethink the ultimate ending, but everything else is solid (except the pacing but being a monthly it probably makes it worst than it actually is).

I completely agree with everything you said. Yes the storytelling hasn't always been stellar, and it has been dragging out for a monthly chapter series, but I think it's pretty obvious that almost everything that has happened so far has already been planned out in Isayama's head, and I'm certain he has some idea of where he wants the story to go. Nearly everything that has happened in canon as of yet has already been alluded to, and the series is full of Chekhov's guns. I'm certain Isayama has included things like the Ape Titan at Utgard, or the woman in Eren and Christa's flashbacks, because they're going to be important later in the plot.
And so far there has been no filler.
I won't argue that Isayama is an ace storyteller, but I don't agree that he's winging the story at this point. (Whether the determined length ending will change, because Isayama changes his mind or the publisher asks him to, is something that I don't know though.)

yeah, I mean even some of the stuff that the fandom theorized seems to be reinforced by what we're seeing in canon so far (like the stuff about Eren's father, for instance).

I agree. There's been set mysteries and it seems like they're slowly being uncovered.

I agree. Isayama isn't the greatest storyteller around, but he knows what his plot is doing and where it's headed, at least at this point. I'd be more worried if it was weekly instead of monthly, since the possibility of him running out of plans quicker would be more likely. Plus Titan is a lot less prone to fifty chapter long battles between every named hero and every named villain, which is generally the point where most never-ending manga start to feel to me like they're being made up as the author goes along ("Shoot, I don't know how to end this plot. Well, I'll just have everyone fight for 70 chapters, I'll probably have something figured out by the time it's done." Lookin' at you, Tite Kubo).

It's true. So far, there was only one chapter where the battles annoyed me, (forty-something? that one where there was like no dialogue at all in the entire chapter), but overall the battles don't drag out, and we don't have the trading off to fight bosses structure going on either.

Like I said, I've read a lot of shounen and while AoT reads to me as somebody who's a bit inexperienced with long plot construction, I definitely feel like he's trying to keep things moving. Unlike a lot of shounen which is like STUFF HAPPENS. THEN MORE STUFF HAPPENS (and lots of powerups on the way).

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Totally agree. It hasn't had any filler crap so far.

Yep. Once it ends at under 30 volumes, I might possibly have a look again to see what happened in the end. Any more than 30? I'm out. I don't even normally read any series over 20 volumes.

I'd read a manga series that's over 30 volumes IF it's already complete (DBZ, for example); but yeah, part of the reason I stopped reading manga is that every one I got into just kept going and going and... ~_~

Long stories are nice, but so is closure. Hell, even if it IS "rocks fall, everyone dies", at least that's an ending.

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I thought Isayama said he already knows where it's going to end? The manga is supposedly already at it's half-way point.

Unless something changed...?

Same tbh. Though I also don't like reading long series' in general? I have had my interest held for more than 10 volumes but its pretty rare...

I like how all the "oh yeah neverending story" comments are from people not actually reading the manga...

Eh, I followed both and dropped it (around chapter 50) because I wasn't getting much of a sense of progression and didn't really care for the characters.

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Yeah I dropped it a while back for the same reason. Maybe I'll pick it up again when it's over.

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