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I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

it's your choice bro.

HOWEVER when I see people claiming they're more compassionate while they cuss out people who disagree with them feeding their omnivore pet vegan food or about eating meat ,Or when they try to claim that cows are "raped" to produce dairy/milk, When they tell you that you're a hypocrite for disagreeing about matters of animal care because "you eat meat" - these kinda things piss me off.

Also seeing militant vegans be all "the hardest part of being vegan is the evil of other people who eat meat" . When they claim that seeing people eat meat made them a fuckin' MISANTHROPE (you decided you hate humanity because of differences in diets , you're a freakin' child).

I do believe in getting your meat from places that are humane, and for knowing where your meat comes from and stuff. I believe in all of that.

but don't be sanctimonious about it FFS.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

Hah. I'm a vegan and I bloody hate militant vegetarians and vegans. Like, stop preaching, dude. It's a personal choice.

I also hate militant meat eaters. You wouldn't think this is a thing, really. Some people get really worked up when they find out I'm vegan and feel like they have to lecture me. It is SO WEIRD.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yeah, militant meat eaters are annoying too. (just don't be so bossy about people's diets people, is that so fucking hard?) I don't get people getting really pressed about what someone else eats.

I went to school with a militant meat eater(and he was an asshole in other ways especially to me) and he told me he thought that vegetarians thought that giving children meat was child abuse. I was just like "no that's the crazies...and PETA" He was just a sorta OVERLOADED ON TESTOSTERONE type in general. There was one time we learned about a person in history (suffragette and anti-alcohol) doing some protest against bars and he 's like "someone shoulda shot her" . Total redneck.

(also when we worked together the dude embarrassed me in front of my coworkers by telling me about how I failed at life for writing fanfiction. In front of my JOB COACH no less)

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, I cannot believe he did that to you. D: Sounds like you are well shot of him!

I don't get people getting really pressed about what someone else eats.

I know, right?? I mean, you can believe in the importance of subjects surrounding food. Does lecturing people on that subject convince them of your POV? HELL NO.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Thankfully yeah. I haven't seen him since like...2009ish. I hope he's grown up a little at some point.

Lecturing people and attacking them tends to make them defensive, and if you want to convince someone of your POV , them being defensive is the LAST thing you actually want. I've discovered this - the same principle applies in beta reading and critiquing someone which I've done before- and it's proven to be true time and time again but no one seems to want to listen. It's like they all want a reason to yell at someone and tear them down and claim they're doing it to "educate/teach them" or help them . Or in the case of many a tumblrite they just decide that the person is scum and no longer deserving of manners at some point.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[cakemage]

I think that in both cases it's generally because you have people on both sides of the fence who are so sick of the other side giving them shit over their dietary choices that they immediately jump onto the offensive out of perceived self-defense as soon as a meat-eater or vegan so much as mentions the subject of diet, which leads to the opposite side building up anger and hurt feelings on the subject so much that they're willing to jump down someone else's throat over the issue just so that they can be the one to draw first blood in the encounter, and so on. And so militant meat-eaters and militant vegetarians/vegans basically feed into each others' rage in an endless cycle, both sides past caring about actually changing anyone's mind and only interested in winning the argument so that they can rub their hard-won moral victory in their opponent's faces.

Such debates can be a lot of fun to watch from the sidelines.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

(Vegan anonn from above)

Truth.

As with all important things in life though, the militant crazies on both sides ruin it for everyone else. Food is totally an important issue - both on a global and local scale.

But, as you say, people are so coloured by their brushes with the crazies that it rolls over into most discussions on the subject.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

Same anon as above ^

Just want to point out that I when I say food is an important issue, I don't mean we should all become vegans! Rather that there are many sides to the food debate (ethics, sustainability, availability), and that the answers are nowhere near clear cut.

My choice is for my own, specific reasons that I won't go into here. ;)

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

I love how we handle this in my family. When I cook a fancy family menu when we're all together, it's 95% vegan (and delicious) for everyone. When we want to go out, we often choose a place that only has one or two vegan options on the menu for our vegan, and she's cool with us eating and enjoying meat at the table.

On the other hand, if we find a cool veg*an place, there's no problem going there either.

It's all very relaxed, like it should be.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

This isn't about you, but it is about veganism, so...

I hate the backlash against vegans. I'm not a vegan, but I hate people pretending that no, guys, eating meat is more ethical because vegan food is all made by exploiting workers in poor countries! If you're a vegan, you care more about animals than people!

But of course, meat eaters don't care about the workers being exploited to grow quinoa as much as they care about getting back at vegans, or else they'd also realize almost nothing that isn't homegrown is made without human exploitation. Oh, but if you only buy homegrown then you're also wrong because that stuff is expensive and unavailable in food deserts so you're wealthy and classist.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

I blame the Internet, frankly. It's absolutely true, people only really care about what gives them ammunition against other people, and it's super dumb, and I blame the Internet in no small measure.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[andthehandmaiden]

people only really care about what gives them ammunition against other people

Ain't that the truth.

and I blame the Internet in no small measure.

It certainly makes the ammo more easily accessible by a mile!

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

THIS.

I'm not vegan but I am vegetarian. I do it for ethical/environmental reasons but I don't judge anyone's diet, or try to convert anyone, or whatever. I don't lecture, but I explain my reasons if asked (without being too preachy).

But the moral backlash is astounding. I feel like people want to compensate for the fact that they don't want to be vegetarian by trying to prove how horrible vegetarianism is? As though this were a battle of political parties or something, it has suddenly become unethical to not eat meat? Like, what?

I agree there are some crazy militant vegans. I get it. But seriously, there is nothing unethical about not eating meat - you could make an argument about ethical consumerism, and how we shouldn't buy food from X, Y and Z sources, etc.

But it's not hypocritical to not do everything. Like, how dare you donate $10 to this charity for poor people, but not give your entire paycheck! What a hypocrite! If you actually cared, you'd give all your money until you had nothing left. Etc... that's the reasoning to me.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

Me? I love vegan food, I love vegetarian food, and I'm still an omnivore because I also love bacon. I have a troubled relationship with food as is, and I just don't want to risk straining it further by trying to restrict my diet. That said, if I see an appealing vegetarian option, I'll take it.

But that's me, with my budget and my health and my circumstances.

If there are options to be morally "better," does that make me a bad person? I don't think so, but a lot of people seem to feel compelled to deride any moral choices they don't choose to make to feel better about their decision.

I guess it's a kind of coping mechanism to deal with the cognitive dissonance of "I'm a good person, but I do this bad thing".

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[elaminator]

I just don't get why people get so worked up over what others put in their mouth.

(Yes, I'm still talking about food. Well, other things too, but in this context: food.)

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[cassandraoftroy]

Vegans who feed their cats vegan diets should be banned from owning pets. Cats are obligate carnivores. They need meat-based diets to stay healthy. They also need taurine, which is found in normal cat food but not in broccoli, or they will go blind.

I don't care what dietary decisions people make for themselves, but when they have another living being who is wholly dependent on them for basic sustenance and survival, they are morally obligated to provide for its needs in a way that will keep it healthy. Don't want to feed a pet meat? Don't get a cat.

/berserk button

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

Agree 100%. I think they automatically fall under the banner 'crazies' though.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[caerbannog]

Throw in snakes and most dogs and you've also found my berserk button.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

Snakes? Are you fucking serious? Cats and dogs are bad enough, but snakes? Mother of god, i can't even.

Raging so hard right now.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

Also hippies who feed hummingbirds artificial sweetner instead of sugar water.

People are so fecking dumb.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[cassandraoftroy]

People try that with snakes?! I think I'm almost too confused to be angry.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[(Anonymous)]

As a snake owner, I don't believe it. Anyone who claimed to even try to feed a snake a veg diet is a troll. You wouldn't even be able to get the snake to consume tofu or whatever. If you force-fed the snake with a tube you could get it down it but it'd just regurgitate, I'm sure. So, probably just trolling trying to further enrage people.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[darkmanifest]

Especially considering how many other sweet and furry vegan pets there are to get instead of cats or dogs. Hamsters! Guinea pigs! Rabbits! You can have a pet and not torture them with your philosophies, but people want to have their way no matter who it hurts.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[ryttu3k]

Vegan cat owner, and 100% agreed. Our cats WILL eat meat because otherwise they will become extremely sick.

If I was to get a pet now, I quite possibly wouldn't get another cat, but the ones we have? They came first and their needs will ALWAYS come first.

Re: I don't have any problems with people being vegan....

[caerbannog]

TBH I put those kinds of vegans in the same category is militant christians - they reckon they have a monopoly on empathy/love/goodness/whatever good virtue and if you're not on their side you're evil mcevil and all they're doing is making animal rights/welfare harder to work for and it's ARGH.

/somewhat irritated that my animal welfare post got hijacked by these kinds of vegans like jfc you do not have a monopoly on caring about animal welfare and you are doing shit all but pissing EVERYONE off.