[ SECRET POST #2666 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2666 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[queerwolf]

Villains are rarely one-dimensional and there's usually a reason why they are the way they are. I personally like backstories like this. Besides, they aren't canon so you can ignore them if you so choose.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel this way too. People say that Maleficent being evil for evil's sake is what made her so great, but I personally can't stand when villains are like that. She doesn't strike me as an agent of chaos (otherwise she'd have done worse than curse a dumb baby), so I can see her having a complex backstory.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel this way too. People say that Maleficent being evil for evil's sake is what made her so great,

I was actually wanting to make secret like that because I KEEP SEEING THIS EVERYWHERE LATELY esp on tumblr.

No it's not making her badass. It's making her lazily-written.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I've seen that too and have no clue why tumblr thinks it's so great. A female character doing bad stuff just because the plot needs her to is a boring character, not an empowered one.

She doesn't seem to do much besides 'be evil' yet the kingdom is perfectly fine-- shit, they either forgot about her or thought they could get away with not inviting her to the party, and then she threatened a baby. So she's written just...to be the villain

[philstar22]

There is a difference between giving them dimensions/interesting backstories and turning the heroes into villains in order to do that. And this movie seems to be setting up the humans as villains and making Malificent into a good/relatively good person.


Which, no. I don't care how awesome the dragon looked. I'm all for deep villains, but not woobified ones.

[queerwolf]

I don't know that the movie does that. I'm reserving any kind of judgment until I see it.

[(Anonymous)]

I will bet you an internet cookie that she's the misunderstood underdog who's idyllic and strange but free life was destroyed by MAN and now she's taking her revenge. It looks pretty obvious in the trailer, unless they're pulling some serious mindgames.

[queerwolf]

lol Since I have horrible luck, I'll just owe you a cookie

[ketita]

Exactly! I find fleshing out backstory and villains and stuff to be cool, but the problem is that this is never done within canon. You could make the villain sympathetic and interesting without butchering the canon protagonists - or at least you should. But this is out and out woobification, which is btw what happened in Wicked. Tons of really bizarre non-canonical stuff just to make Elphaba a misunderstood woobie.

[(Anonymous)]

From what I could tell, it more made the other fairies into dicks and humans an innocent third party caught in the middle.

OT

[(Anonymous)]

But I'm suddenly imagining the Han Solo in your icon leaning against the TARDIS.

Re: OT

[philstar22]

That would be an awesome crossover.

Re: OT

[(Anonymous)]

Indeed it would be. Indeed it would be.

[(Anonymous)]

lol what trailer have you seen because absolutely none of them imply what you're reading into

[arcadiaego]

I see 'I just want a villain without a tragic backstory' a lot and am always a bit confused because people don't become evil for no reason. It can work sometimes, if the character is like...the Joker, in TDK for example - he was really more of an agent of chaos than an actual human being. But it's hard to do.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm just going to Godwin this and say that Hitler's past wasn't exactly tragic.

[arcadiaego]

There was still a reason, even if it wasn't tragic. Everything has a reason of some sort. In my experience it usually tends to be something bad that causes another bad thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah but, he did sort of have a tragic backstory. He had his emo moments with art, soul crushing experiences during World War 1 etc. All depends on perspective. Either way, a 'tragic backstory' doesn't make an awful person any less reprehensible.

[(Anonymous)]

I like Wicked and villainous backstories, but...not all the time? Like, for WWW, I could get behind her as a sympathetic character because in the books she's just straight up killed on the Wizard's say so, with not a lot of evil done to Dorothy before her quest to kill the witch, and in the movie it doesn't take a lot of overthinking to go, "Hey, wait. They're having a parade for this girl who killed her sister and took her shoes. I'd be kinda pissed too."

In terms of Sleeping Beauty, villains need motivation, but that motivation doesn't always need to translate to them actually being the good people. The movie looks like they're making her the underdog and so terribly misunderstood and...there isn't much in the original story that stands out as a reason she might actually be the "good" one--she cursed a baby because fairies are predictable and chaotic and easily insulted. I don't mind villainous backstories. It's turning the villain into a woobie--every single time--that's getting my goat.