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Ugh. Comment collapsed in case people haven't seen this past episode yet.

Ugh, show. Way to make a scene that was disturbing in the books worse. In the books, the Jaime/Cersei scene was rough, but it wasn't rape. What was shown on Sunday was. And yet the director does not think it was rape. Even though Cersei was struggling and saying no the entire time.

Way to ruin all of Jaime's character growth. And what is worse since the director does not think it was rape, nothing is probably going to come of it.

I'm okay with a lot of the changes from the book, but this one i'm not. Its even worse than the changed Dany and Drogo scene because that scene was still rape in the books, though in a different way, and because at least they were clearly intentionally changing the scene.

Don't you know that if the protesting party feels any pleasure, then, in the end, it isn't rape hurr hurr hurr.

I was on the edge of writing GoT off at the end of last season, and I think my patronage of it has about run its course. I'm hate more than I enjoy at this point.

Eh, rereading the passage in the books, it came across at the very least as sexual assault at first. Seeing as how Cersei objected at first. The whole scene was skeevy but the show made it worse.

GRRM said she wanted to have sex with him, just not near their son. She does want to though, and it's really not rape at all. That shit last night, though? No. No, no, a thousand times no.

I'm done. I'm off the GoT train.

What I found hilarious was tumblr liveblogging THANKS FOR THE TRIGGER WARNING HBO and TRIGGER WARNING: RAPE IN TODAY'S GOT

Does HBO do trigger warnings? Do any shows? (I think some warn for disturbing content but with this show I just assume that's true of every episode.)

Nope.

I know some do. Teen Wolf, for instance, had a trigger warning on one of its episodes last season.

DA

Are you serious? Did it say trigger warning or was it that generic warning for disturbing content?

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How did they pull it off? The thing with trigger warnings, differentiated from general warnings, is that they're really specific, and imagine would be spoilery if placed before an episode.

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WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU BE WATCHING GAME OF THRONES (OR ANY HBO DRAMA) IF YOU NEED TRIGGER WARNINGS

FOR FUCK'S SAKE DO WE NEED TO WARN FOR STUPID BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IT'S LIKE BLITHELY DECIDING TO WATCH JAWS WHEN YOU ARE TRIGGERED BY SHARKS

Why would you watch GoT and not expect someone to get raped, is what I'm wondering.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-04-22 10:41 (UTC) - Expand

This is true. I mean. You're going to have to look away everyone other minute.

The caps aren't necessary.

If they read the book, they wouldn't have been expecting THIS scene to be rape, because it wasn't in the book. Read the damn thread (or did all the lowercase letters confuse you too much?).

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I really hope you're trolling and not serious here. Because it can be really hard to tell.

I am deeply baffled by anyone who claims to need trigger warnings for rape and who also watches GoT on purpose (as opposed to flipping past, or wandering into the room when someone else is watching it, or...whatever). It's an incredibly rapey canon. This is a well-established fact. At this point, it seems a little bit like people repeatedly sticking their hand into a meat grinder to see if it still hurts this time.

ikr

What made me laugh was people saying that Jaime is now ruined 4eva while ignoring all the cold-blood murdering small children and old men thing...

Jaime's character arc in the books - at least so far as we've seen it - could be summarized as going something like this: Guy does some really awful shit, in part out of loyalty to his family, in part because he thinks it's necessary, and in part because he's just an asshole. Then he gets separated from his family, loses his hand, meets someone who sets him a better example. This leads him to reconsider his position in life and start acting like less of an asshole, although he still has problems.

Now with the show it goes something like this: Guy does some awful shit, starts to figure stuff out and stop being an asshole, and then decides to do some rape.

Jaime isn't ruined 4eva because this is worse than anything he did before. He's ruined 4eva because this takes place after he's started trying to redeem himself - because it's incompatible with the storyline that made Jaime anything other than a horrible person. It's a whole completely different other thing.

This is what GRRM has to say about it:

Also, I was writing the scene from Jaime's POV, so the reader is inside his head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don't know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/367116.html?thread=19030284

Yeah so... I get it that in the age of woobie and whump, redeeming a character is the thing to do but I really don't see how the shit he did can in any way be redeemed, no matter how much he changed.

Yeah, that was a mess. I don't even want to touch it.

Instead, I'm going to comment on how amusing I am that, two weeks after all those complaints about ~unequal male/female nudity~ we finally got to see that male prostitute in the buff.

Well, sort of. We got chest shots, but in the corner we got full breast, back, and ass shots of the women in the scene and the camera angle was lingering on them. It was better than usual, but still even in a scene about bisexuality there was more female nudity.

Were you watching a censored version or something? Because I got his chest, back, ass, and a brief unfocused full frontal.

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