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So you're okay with eugenics? You're okay with people deciding that women of certain races and ethnicities and classes shouldn't be allowed to have children?

Jesus fucking christ, don't any of you people read any fucking history? We made this shit a right because majority groups abused their fucking power and tried to use it to stave off the promulgation of minority groups. And you're sitting there talking about this shit like it wouldn't be abused again.

You basically just pulled the race-and-ethnicity think out of your ass, anon.

No, actually, I didn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization

Yes, actually, you did. I find the transition from "I wish people would make more responsible decisions about kids" to your assumption that someone literally supports eugenics to be both illogical and really rude.

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stella_down, I feel like the context of the above comment was lost on you. It transitioned from an anon talking about responsibility to another anon deciding they support eugenics. Which is...no.

In seriousness, though, thanks for the links because I do think this is an important thing to read up on.

No, it didn't, because the "freedom to have a kid" thing came up after the ethnicity/eugenics thing was shoved into the conversation.

And yes, from a completely literal standpoint, you have the freedom to have a kid. I retract my previous statement about that because I see now how creepy that was.

I do think that the way you put it made it sound like nobody cared about the consequences involved for the kid itself. Which is what worries me and scares me a bit about this conversation.

I didn't say I didn't care about your links, I said I agreed with the point you were trying to make with them, which I have iterated at least a dozen times on this thread, so I'm not sure why you keep throwing them at me.

Your entire last paragraph doesn't really apply to anything I said. Actually, nobody said "poor people shouldn't have kids" and nobody agreeing with OP ever brought up "crazy welfare moms". There's a difference between being poor, and if you are in a position where you can barely feed yourself, how are you going to feed a kid? I actually think social programs like welfare *help* with this and make it more possible to raise a kid and therefore less dire to have one when you're struggling financially. Individual situations vary.

I don't really know what else to say here...I guess there's just a big disconnect here in that we're kinda talking about related by slightly different things.

I know, right? This is why there are books written about this shit.

yet everyone's still sitting around going "hurr durr we're so civilized and egalitarian now everything is solved that can never happen again!"

???

When was egalitarism brought into this?

It was brought in the moment people started talking about how certain people shouldn't reproduce.

You're gonna have to explain to me how that falls under equality for all people.

The notion that certain people shouldn't be allowed to reproduce is antithetical to the notion that all people are equal, as if all people are equal, then all people have the same right to reproduce.

Which nobody did. Some people have decided that's what was said when it absolutely wasn't. holy shit.

No. No, it's not. The thread started with the opinion that some people should wait to have kids for a time when they can provide for them adequately. Please stop twisting things.

Yes, jfc.

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