[ SECRET POST #2696 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2696 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/YZG7qbX.png

[kaijinscendre]

People consider internet piracy to be a form of civil disobedience? Huh....

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. I see a lot of that shit on reddit.

[(Anonymous)]

If you believe the media companies basically own Governments, then doing something to hurt the media companies is well within the accepted usage of Civil Disobedience.

It all depends on whether you believe there is enough evidence to justify the belief that Governments are controlled by the media companies.

[(Anonymous)]

If you look at who sponsors the big blockbusters, it might actually be the other way around. Tells you why even most supposedly anti-war movies aren't even a little bit anti-war.

[dethtoll]

I got into a huge argument with someone recently because I'm sick of the term "thought police."

[(Anonymous)]

This is a good a time as any to remind everyone that if you haven't read "Politics and the English Language" (it's short and it's freely available) then you should. Afterward you will have a better understanding not only of Orwell, but of politics. Also the English language.

https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting. He really didn't like words derived from Latin.

[(Anonymous)]

I started to write up a thoughtful reply about how hard it would be for either of them to accurately evaluate the present without a thorough understanding of the technology we depend on, and then I started wondering how one would go about explaining modern media to Thoreau, and then I started wondering whether he would respond to the internet by throwing his computer out the window or becoming enthralled by cat videos.

Anyway.

How Orwellian any modern state is depends on what you consider "Orwellian". My dictionary isn't giving anything more precise than 'to do with Orwell or Orwell's works', and that could be anything from lots of surveillance (which more than a few places have!) to pigs taking over a farm and ordering political assassinations, which... not so much.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

It's really the combination of Orwellian with fascist that bugs me, given his famous hatred of the word fascism. (For whatever reason, folks are seldom content with referencing an Orwellian state--they just have to call it a fascist Orwellian state.)

other random anon :)

[(Anonymous)]

That's probably because he criticised more than one type of state. 1984 is mostly criticising totalitarianism/fascism, while Animal Farm is about communism. So it does make sense to specify.

And to be honest, I do feel like the Western world is sliding towards totalitarian structures at a frightening speed: omnipresent NSA (and to a lesser degree other) surveillance, dumb, uniform mass media, a high degree (and acceptance) of violence, widespread social misery, wars that have much more to do with distracting the population from said misery than the propaganda reasons of that war, state-sanctioned torture... the list goes on.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Oh God, please, let's not start sympathizing with Nazis here Dx

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

WORD UP.

[sabotabby]

A ubiquitous surveillance state that most of us happily consent to and participate in seems more Brave New World than 1984 tbh. It still scares the shit out of me, as a geezer-type person who still can't believe that so many people are okay with this.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Although much of the social engineering going on to make people less reliant on themselves and more on government fits well onto the 1984 spectrum of things as well.

[ketita]

I'm not a geezer and it scares me too - I'm just not 100% certain how to function in today's world while avoiding the surveillance :X

[diet_poison]

I am not a geezer, and I'm not okay with it. But sadly, many people (of all ages) are. :/

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds like you didn't take your Soma today...

[sabotabby]

Heh.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. It's terrifying and depressing.

[forgottenjester]

*Scratches head furiously* There are so many things I could say on both sides. I-

You know what? It's not worth it. I have homework to do.

Is this a part of your homework?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Thoreau was. Orwell was just personal reading. (I actually brought a flyer about piracy as civil disobedience into lit class--it said "Steal this flyer," so I did.)

Re: OP

[forgottenjester]

Oh wow, I was right. Cool.

What is the point of putting "steal this flyer" on a flyer?

Not OP

[(Anonymous)]

What is the point of putting "steal this flyer" on a flyer?

And if you then steal it, isn't that obedience, rather than disobedience?

Re: OP

[grackle]

I'm guessing it's a reference to "Steal This Book" by Abby Hoffman. But you can't really steal a flyer so yeah.