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⌈ Secret Post #2699 ⌋

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Did Marvel actually say they weren't sure they were doing Winter Soldier? There's no way I believe that either. Even if they didn't have concrete plans, they must've known bringing him back was a strong possibility. What would they even do without Bucky?

Like...idk, maybe because I haven't read ALL the comics, but Bucky is so closely tied to Steve, and I just can't imagine what else they could have done that would've had this big of an emotional impact. Steve and Bucky's epic ~~romance~~ friendship was just what they needed to ensnare their audience. Bucky is the perfect (not-really-an-antagonist-)antagonist.

It was strong implied by several people that tWS wasn't any plan at all. What they would have done, I don't know. But in the comics Bucky is much more reliant on Steve (even when he's dead) than Steve is on Bucky. Steve has had decades without Bucky, and has a much bigger circle of friends, in the comics. Bucky comes with the same "brainwashed assassin for over half a century" backstory, and the only thing he really hopes for is to make Steve proud.

~~Thank you for using antagonist, rather than villain. Anyone who calls him that will face my wrath quicker than those bar patrons Bucky takes out for calling Cap a traitor.~~

Yea, I know that comic Steve must've missed Bucky a lot, but he had lived without him for a long time and had a chance to move on. MCU Steve didn't get any closure and was still struggling with his place in the world and with connecting with people. Bucky was one of the few people he ever truly knew, so...he hadn't even finished grieving him when he found out he was actually alive.

and the only thing he really hopes for is to make Steve proud.

This might be the most depressing (and oddly sweet) sentence I have ever read. Ugh, stop it.

Don't I know it. I get that. When people say he is I wonder what movie they watched. Bucky is a victim, not a villain. He was simply a tool used by the real villain of the story, which was Hydra and Alexander Pierce.

This might be the most depressing (and oddly sweet) sentence I have ever read. Ugh, stop it.

Most of Bucky's time as Captain America was spent with him questioning whether he actually deserved it, and knowing he could't reject it even if he doesn't because Steve believed in him. Natasha, Sam and Clint (after Clint is a jerk for a few months) work on putting him back together, with varying results. It WAS depressing. I have a feeling it will be even more depressing in the MCU, regardless of what happens with Chris's Steve.

~~You would think the fact that he had to be tied down, drugged and electrocuted might have given them a clue. It's not like Hydra was recharging his goddamn batteries!~~

Oh Bucky, always thinking of Steve... In a way it's disheartening that he doesn't seem to want much for himself besides...well, doing whatever will make Steve proud or happy, but...at the same time at least he was doing good and helping people? And working on getting better; that's always important.

I have a feeling it will be even more depressing in the MCU

How is this even possible? I'm already horrified at the thought that Steve could die and Bucky could be left alone to shoulder the weight of his past and learn to manage a future without him. I don't want any of this. This is too much for my heart to handle.

~~Some people just don't get it. IDK, man.~~

Well, for a while comic Bucky was quite certain Steve should have killed him, and was even kind of angry that he didn't. Lots of self-hatred there. He was a good guy, but he didn't think he DESERVED to be one of the good guys. He's a bit better now, but there's always an edge of desperation to what he does, like he's trying to prove himself over and over.

It's going to be more depressing even if Steve doesn't die, just due to the canon differences in Bucky, and in his and Steve's relationship. I don't know what it becomes other than a horror show if Steve does die. ;_;

~~it hurts me that they're so dense. I bet even the little girl that asked Stan how it felt to betray his best friend gets it now!~~

Ooo, I remember the bit where he wished for death and ran off, avoiding Steve. I felt so bad for Bucky. He went through so much, then he gets himself back and spends his time hating himself over things he couldn't control. I mean, I kind of get it, but it wasn't fair. So much in their lives isn't fair, but they deserve to be happy! Even you, Bucky. ESPECIALLY you, Bucky.

Right, because Bucky in the comics was a teen when he met Steve, and he was his partner, but in movie verse it's suggested they grew up together, had very little else and leaned on one another. Shit, this is going to be bad... But no matter what I'll just be pleased that they're together. I bet they will be too. (Eventually.)

~~Omg, that little girl. Lol. She was adorable but she was also WRONG. I'm sure she got it later. Let's hope so. Sebastian's face was precious when he heard that question.~~

Yeah. While Bucky's movie backstory is a bit…confused…in the MCU (I thought it was canon that he was an orphan, but then tWS flashback talks about his "folks"), they're definitely a lot, LOT closer. Comic Bucky and Cap were friends, and long-time partners, but there was a power differential and Bucky was explicitly placed with Cap to be his partner. MCU Steve and Bucky are ~~boyfriends~~ ~~soul mates~~ best friends that see each other through times great and miserable. Encapsulated, their MCU relationship is summed up with the "little guy from Brooklyn too stupid to run away from a fight" line.

~~He also did an amazing job of explaining in simple terms, I thought. Nothing deep, just making her understand that Bucky doesn't know what he's doing.~~

I think it was canon that they were both orphans but they ret-conned that for Cap 2? Though maybe I'm wrong about that, not sure... Now I want to go watch my Captain America special features and see if they mention it anywhere.

Comic Cap and Bucky were brought together by an outside force and didn't know each other before the war, but MCU Steve grew up with Bucky and so had a stronger connection with him. I see what you mean. Fighting beside someone has to create a strong bond, but Steve and Bucky already had an unbreakable bond that they brought with them to war, so they would've needed each other even more. Ugh. Ugh.

~~Yes, Sebastian is good at that. Now I want to go watch that interview again.~~

From what I know, the orphan background as canon was established in the tie-in comic? Between that and the Red Skull apparently not being (conventionally) racist, I really need to go find and read it...

Right, I've heard someone else mention that before too. I need to get my hand on these tie-in comics...

I read the tie-in for Winter Soldier but never came across the other one. The background information would be nice, if nothing else.

I torrented all of the Cap tie-ins - I can see if I can find the links again, or upload them for you if you can't torrent?

Ah, no, I don't want you to go to that trouble! I did search but I'm not sure what's what. It's called First Vengeance, right? Are there only four issues? I see those four and it says complete, but on the Marvel announcement it says that's an eight issue comic, so I'm confused. I need to switch to my computer, this would be faster, lol.

Maybe I can find it elsewhere.

It wouldn't be a problem! The one with the backstory is called First Vengeance, yeah. I could also only find downloads with four issues, but it seems complete to me - the last page says "To be continued in Captain America: The First Avenger, in theaters 7/22/11." There's also Captain America & Thor - Avengers, in which the Cap part is about some random mission Steve and the Howling Commandos did, though it inexplicably lacks Bucky.

Alrighty, I've found both First Vengeance and Cap and Thor and am attempting to download them. It might take a little while for the Thor one because there aren't many seeders, but I imagine I'll get it. Thank you for the help! If you ever get a username message me so I can friend you; it's been great talking to you!

in which the Cap part is about some random mission Steve and the Howling Commandos did, though it inexplicably lacks Bucky

How would Bucky not be in that? Like Bucky would let Steve go anywhere alone after the shit they've been through. Odd... (Still, I will read it. Especially if it has Thor too.)

Just editing to say: GOT THEM. Though I'm having to download adobe reader to read issue 2. OMG bb!Bucky calling Steve an inspiration, and Steve's mother talking about how his heart is ten times the size of his body and awww. Aww.

Editing yet again to say: Awww the Commandos saving Bucky. There wasn't enough of him, but I did enjoy what they did with the Commandos and Carter. Steve and Howard were a nice touch, too. It could've been worse!

Edited 2014-05-25 19:42 (UTC)

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