[ SECRET POST #2713 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2713 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The problem lies when one person's headcanon is another person's reality.

For instance, I've seen people saying how nobody should be saying that The Winter Soldier killed Howard Stark, and the entire thing is just coincidence. They have vocally said that fans should just stop saying it because it's annoying.

Pre-reboot DC it was impossible that Tim was clinging to Kon after he came back because Tim had lost EVERYTHING, and he was just a possessive bastard. Or the folks who shit all over Jason Todd fans, saying he'd always been nothing more than a common thug despite all the evidence to the contrary in his initial run and an entire comic dedicated to the fallout of his coming back alive. On BOTH sides of those two arguments people are saying that it's headcanons changing things.

So it's not always entirely clear-cut what is headcanon and what is assumption based on tons of evidence.

[elaminator]

I've seen people saying how nobody should be saying that The Winter Soldier killed Howard Stark, and the entire thing is just coincidence

Well you didn't ask for my opinion, but as I see it that could go either way. He could have or he might not have. I don't mind if other people think he did though, and I tend to not bother arguing about (or 'correcting', whatever) people's head-canons because it seems like a waste of time. (Plus, headcanons aren't hurting anyone, though, again, I do get the annoyance when those people say their head-canons are canon or imply that anyone who doesn't believe them is wrong.)

Some people just take fandom too seriously, I guess is what I'm saying. Fandom should be fun, not hostile. *shrugs*

Poor Jason, can't ever catch a break, even in fandom apparently.

[(Anonymous)]

fandom should be fun, not hostile

Hear, hear. I wish more people would keep this in mind. I will admit that I myself even need a reminder of it.


http://comicsalliance.com/bucky-jason-todd-history/ <-written just after Fear Itself, so Bucky's most recent development isn't included, but a fair summery of the poor boy's life.

[elaminator]

I think everyone needs a reminder now and then, because none of us are perfect and we all overreact now and then. But for some people that might occasionally, and for others it might be an everyday occurrence. The latter are the ones who definitely need to watch themselves more closely.

That comic is beautiful. Poor Jason Todd. Bucky almost had it good in comparison. (Never thought I'd be saying that...)

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that nobody in-universe or out never thought "you know, beaten to death and buried alive + Lazarus Pit = good damn reason to think killing is the best option"

In the meantime Cap is swearing at SHIELD agents who imply Bucky should be jailed or somehow controlled, and very purposely made sure Sam would make sure Bucky became not only a hero but make him BELIEVE he was worthy of the shield. L

[elaminator]

Ugh. Is this the difference between Marvel and DC? I haven't read enough to say, but from what I've heard it seems like DC just enjoys torturing their character indefinitely and Marvel is better about giving them peace now and then.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody in DC is ever allowed to be happy, yup. They used to be. DC was the optimistic, happy universe where good guys were good, bad guys were bad, and when the good guys did screw up they were forgiven.

About the 2000s, and worse since the reboot, everything is misery and grimdark. A tragic loss.

Marvel is hardly happy, but at least good things happen to characters (North star got married, for example. Although I'm sure someday someone will fridge Kyle). And there is funny, like Loki apparently writing slash fan fiction. And, over in the MCU, things seem to be ACTUALLY optimistic. While DC's movies are...just as grimsark as the comics. :(

/rant

[(Anonymous)]

Loki writing fanfiction? This I need to see. In what comic might I that scene/ does any one have a cap of it?

Bad image, photographed with my phone...

[phyllomania]

It's from Loki: Agent of Asgard, issue #1.

Re: Bad image, photographed with my phone...

[elaminator]

I haven't been reading AOA but this is great. (Are there plenty of Thor and Loki moments, or Thor just makes appearances now and then? I assume the latter.)

Though I never even read Journey Into Mystery so...maybe one day.

Is that you, Bucky!anon?

Re: Bad image, photographed with my phone...

[phyllomania]

Agent of Asgard is brilliant, imo. It's mostly Loki being Loki with other people, and quite wonderfully. However, people take to different types of humor, obviously. Ewing's brand of it, especially in the hands of a character like Loki, resonates with me. I know others who hate the book not for the story, but rather the humor aspects.

AoA doesn't require Journey Into Mystery (although I liked that as well, other than the ending I never saw coming).

maaaaaayyybeeee? :D

Re: Bad image, photographed with my phone...

[(Anonymous)]

Anon you responded to:

Thank you so much! Hehehe, but that's a great scene. I enjoy seeing them just be brothers, and I don't even read the comics. I might now though...

Re: Bad image, photographed with my phone...

[phyllomania]

Thor does not feature heavily in AoA. It's only four issues in, so not a lot to get caught up on, if you do read it. I think it's marvelous, myself, but it does include a lot of humor so people's reactions are variable.

(Pretty!Loki after 15 years of comic reading where he was anything but is a bit of a shock, though)

Re: Bad image, photographed with my phone...

[kallanda_lee]

This is glorious

[elaminator]

Nothing wrong with serious stories but sometimes you need a bit of hope and amusement as well. Let's hope one day DC decides to go back to their former formula.

lmao at Loki writing slash fiction. That somehow doesn't surprise me.

Look, I have gained an identity! ^_^v

[phyllomania]

I can only hope so. People fought the last time the DC universe was in threat of being devoured by grimdark, when Dick Grayson was supposed to be the main death of a massive event and the writers went to the editors and went "We can't do this. He holds the entire DCU together." Nobody fought this time, and if they did they were fired. I've given up on DC. I buy the omnibuses and the trades of old stuff when they come out, in hopes of making sales numbers give a clue to the PTB, but none of the new stuff save one title made me feel any emotion other than dead emptiness or rage. Melodramatic, yes, but my genuine reaction to the reboot.

lmao at Loki writing slash fiction. That somehow doesn't surprise me.

Fandom fairly collectively when "Wait…whut…does this mean what I think it means?" when the issue came out. Once we'd all confirmed with each other that there really wasn't another interpretation there was a hearty laugh and contemplation about what sort of terrible slash he was actually writing.

Re: Look, I have gained an identity! ^_^v

[(Anonymous)]

...wait...so...what does it mean?

Trolling? Suppressed desires?

Re: Look, I have gained an identity! ^_^v

[phyllomania]

General consensus is trolling, given that the setup is "released a most terrible slash". One of my favorite hypotheses that I saw was that he wrote schmoopy RPS Steve/Tony set during Civil War.

Re: Look, I have gained an identity! ^_^v

[elaminator]

but none of the new stuff save one title made me feel any emotion other than dead emptiness or rage

I don't judge! I have a friend who's a gigantic DC fan, but I don't think she's kept up with even one of the new titles since the reboot. When she does check up on the universe to see what's happening she always IM's or texts me in utter rage over how DC has ruined everything. This is not surprising at all to me. Even I, who as I've said, haven't read that many DC comics, know that what's going on currently is a far cry from everything in the past. I don't get it either.

Probably him/David Alleyne. (I'm also going to pretend he wrote homoerotic fic about himself and Thor but nothing too overt, so that if Thor ever found it he could slyly deny it.)

Oh, and I think it's great that you got an account! I guess you had to in order to post the image, right? Sucks you were forced to but if you don't want to use it you can always log out.

Re: Look, I have gained an identity! ^_^v

[phyllomania]

I gave up on even the one DC title several months ago, when it started crossing over with the others. Now my knowledge comes from occasionally hearing things through the fandom grapevine and/or seeing covers at my FLCBS when I go to pick up other things (I regularly glance at the Red Hood and the Outlaw covers and seethe, only to remind myself firmly that I don't care anymore).

*snicker* I prefer to think Loki writes/wrote totally overt RPS about people he wants to troll, and puts it in places on the internet where they can find it or be told about it ("James is pregnant with twins" style). Maybe sends links to graphic Steve/Tony to Tony with things like "AIM has weaponized water!" in the subject line.

I coulda dead-linked, but embedding seemed so much more useful.

[kallanda_lee]

Yes, he could or could have not - but refusing the acknowledge the possibility is sort of childish.

[elaminator]

Well, I don't know if I'd call it childish, but I don't understand why you would completely deny the possibility just because it seems like something that very well could have happened in canon. Getting pissed at other people for thinking it might have happened is incredibly dumb though.

[kallanda_lee]

Childish in the sense of "OH NO, my precious bb couldn't possibly have done that".

[elaminator]

Well...he couldn't have helped doing it if he was ordered to, so I don't see why anyone would say that.

[nightscale]

I can understand people not wanting Bucky to have killed Howard Stark, because it is a horrible thing to consider, but ignoring it or insisting that he didn't do it would be silly. And personally given what we were shown in the movie I think it's more likely than not that Bucky did kill them as the Winter Soldier.

But some people get very funny about head-canons and insisting that they're canon.