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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-06-25 06:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #2731 ]


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(Anonymous) 2014-06-25 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
TBH the last bit is the only part I have a problem with. Think what you want, as long as you're capable of differentiating between canon, headcanon, and abstract systems of injustice and oppression.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-25 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds similar to a secret from yesterday where someone got upset that their gay-in-my-headcanon characters turned out not to be gay. I eyeroll at both these scenarios.
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-06-25 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, all of this. Women can have traditionally masculine traits, and men can have traditionally feminine traits without being trans (or even gay).

(Anonymous) 2014-06-26 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
This!

(Anonymous) 2014-06-25 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't you know? Men and women have VERY distinctive behaviors which never change. Any variations of these means you must be trans.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-25 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I grew up in an era when girls were supposed to wear dresses and boys were daring if they wore a pink shirt and it wasn't half as claustrophobic as the rigid gender roles people impose on THEMSELVES today. I just don't get it.
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[personal profile] elaminator 2014-06-25 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, if only so many people didn't have this mindset. :(

(I know you're being sarcastic, though.)

(Anonymous) 2014-06-25 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Arya Stark trans* headcanons are probably my least favorite. Oh, hurr hurr, a teenage girl is violent and dresses like a boy. She's totally itching to actually *be* a boy. (How about she's just in that angry teen girl phase?)

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[personal profile] writerserenyty 2014-06-25 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I think trans headcanons are fine and great, but it just bugs me that it's so often used for characters that aren't traditionally feminine or traditionally male. But yeah, I definitely see that a lot.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-25 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
The entire notion of "trans headcanons" is stupid primarily because headcanons cannot supplant canon. If characters are written as cis, no amount of fairyland imagination is going to wish that away.

Instead of investing all of that effort into something fruitless and anti-canon, that people who actually love the canon and the characters as they are written aren't going to enjoy, write your own original trans characters. Surely there are enough trans people who would support a story all about trans characters.

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-25 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
See now, I think the reason that characters who are less than 100% gender-conforming attract a large amount of trans headcanons is because a lot of trans and nonbinary people on Tumblr started out that way before coming to the epiphany that they were trans, and see a lot of traits of themselves reflected in those characters. They're drawing upon their own personal experiences, not stereotypes, because they want to see people like them in media.

Of course, cis people who don't conform to gender roles (especially butch women) are going to perceive that as taking away from THEIR scant representation, and they're justified in doing so. Unless we actually start a dialogue about it, cis people who don't conform to gender roles and trans/nonbinary people are always going to be stepping on each other's toes and perceiving the other as erasing them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-25 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I get annoyed with it, because it just seems really fucking sexist.

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This turned into a rant.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-25 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
TL:DR: I agree, OP, but this took a left turn and let all of my pent up feelings out.

I hate that fucking shit, too, which is why I now hate and skip over "head canons." I used to love theories about characters, but Tumblr ruined that. Ever since fandom has decided that it is currently "cool" to be trans or whatever bs label they're going by, I just can no longer stand to read people's shitty posts. It's not even that these people have these head canons, most of them are trying to appeal to the masses and seem "with it" when it comes to trans rights. If you're so "with it," where were you when you saw people in your real life being called "he-she" or "she-males" or "butch dykes"? I'll tell you where, laughing with the same jackasses making fun of trans people.

So for fandom to all of a sudden come along and decide that every fucking person, real or not real, needs to have special pronouns, have a great trans adventure, and let that be the only things that define them is bs. Your genitalia doesn't need to define you, neither does your gender identity or expression. The fact of the matter is that making something right doesn't equal going to the opposite extreme. You don't need fashionable pronouns or labels or other crap to show that you don't fit into the mold. Because if that route is the one you choose, you will always be searching. Before genderfluid and every other term gained notoriety via freaking Tumblr, girls were out here identifying as bi and advertising how they "didn't bite" as the cool thing to include in their profiles.

When, in fact, I have had trans friends in fandom since the time of the new "Star Wars" films and they didn't feel a need to make a big deal. They did what any regular person wanted and simply asked us to call him by the name he preferred directly and call him by his female name when we called his house. The end. No hoopla. No fuss. Just business and then let's move on to living our lives. He even worked his ideas into fandom via our roleplay and it was great. It wasn't a sledgehammer to the face insisting that this way was the only way things needed to be done.

And that, people who are still reading this, is how I feel the flood of fashionable trans head canons represent themselves.

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-25 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Is this about the Dangan Ronpa fandom?

But yes, this gets annoying. I remember someone on F!S a few years back insisting that Kurt from Glee was trans because he liked to hang out with the girls. No, he's a gay man (who frequently has to remind people that he's male) who hangs out with the girls because they don't treat him as shitty as the guys do.

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-25 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
My favorites *coughcough* are the ones that blatantly misgender a character away from their canon identity.

Character's canonically a boy? Nope, he's a trans woman now! The only reason you would have a problem with that is if you have a problem with trans women! You don't hate trans women, do you, hmmmm???
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[personal profile] intrigueing 2014-06-26 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I kinda side-eye people who headcanon a character as trans just because they are more feminine/masculine than they "should" be. If there are other factors at play, that's a different story, but if there's nothing else to support the headcanon, it all feels really gender essentialist in a roundabout sort of way. Like, it's the same logic as the tired old "Men need to be 'real men' and women need to be 'real women'" crap, except with the modifier of "oh, and trans is okay too, but if you're *not* trans, then boy howdy, you better stick to the societal expectations of your gender identity." Same attitude, different rules.

I don't see anything wrong with headcanoning everyone as trans though? I mean, if you're headcanoning one character, why not more? I guess some people feel real world statistics about the proportion of trans people in the popularion are important to the realism, but that seems like a personal thing.
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[personal profile] ibbity 2014-06-26 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
I think the most irritating part about the first thing you mentioned is that these are people who presumably ought to be OPPOSED to gender essentialism, yet their insistence that a character's deviating from prescribed gender norms in any way MUST make them trans is actually heavily reinforcing gender essentialism.

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-26 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
lllllllllooooord.
one time i read an attack on titan fanfic that used headcanons where armin, marco and some other dude were all actually trans women. it was about them going to the mall, wearing dresses and talking about their significant others. i was, understandably, floored at the author's progressive & anti-problematic beliefs. trans headcanons are so helpful to the trans community because their purveyors provide such great insight into what it's like to be a trans person. for instance, i started taking testosterone so that i could learn to use tools and wear pants.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-26 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
Same. But then again it's like the same people who insist a character's gay because they had an emotional conversation with another man. You wanna fanfic that, great! Insist it's canon and launch a war against fans that disagree, please go away.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-26 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this drives me up the wall too.

If someone is portrayed as a cis individual, then they're fucking cis. Quit trying to turn every goddamn character trans.
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[personal profile] paperghost 2014-06-26 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
100% exactly how I feel about it too.

I'm not against the idea at all (I have a handful of my own?) but I really hate how they're executed most of the time.

The fandoms for things I like have a lot of people who act like that too >__o
Edited (i forgot a word; i meant i'm *not* against it lmfao) 2014-06-26 05:39 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2014-06-26 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
Why do all of you get pissy about other people's headcanons, it's obnoxious as fuck.

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-26 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
My main problem with people who hate on trans headcanons is that I've never seen a justification for that hate that didn't smell of transphobia.

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-26 08:17 am (UTC)(link)
Les Mis? If not, well that has the problem in spades.