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⌈ Secret Post #2736 ⌋

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Yep

"TWO ladies - depression and anxiety allegory - DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH THAT MAN YOU JUST MET HIM!!!!"

I wonder if any other Disney movies could be interpreted as an allegory for mental illness. I do know that there are other relationships between women I love in Disney movies and Enchanted did that last one.

I've seen people consider Vanellope a stand in for a neurological diseaseand Calhoun for PTSD (Not exactly what you asked for, but I relate to her on that 'avoid people but do what you want' thing)

Fun Fact: The Beast was an allegory for Aids.

So why'd he get better?

Because it's a Disney movie. I never said it was a good allegory. But the isolation and people treating him like he's a monster seem about right.

Or maybe that allegory can be that AIDs is not nearly as dangerous (contagious) as people [used to] think.

Though I do have to say these days the whole freak-out over AIDs is pretty-much over. People now know how to avoid it, and there is plenty of treatment to slow it down, even if it can't be cured.

People are aware that Disney didn't invent the tale? That literally everything about cursed-beast-man-is-cured comes from a story written a hundred years ago?

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mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com - 2014-07-01 19:50 (UTC) - Expand

"Fact"?

Also, how does that work when his storyline was "must learn to be a decent person who is worthy of love so I can get rid of this curse that I got for being an insufferable brat"?

nayrt. LOL, I think this fun fact was actually 'I didn't think that allegory through...'

It wasn't something I made up. It was something one of the makers of the movie commented on.

Don't forget the gay couple in the sauna.

Wasn't that proven to actually be a straight couple?

Nothing was ever confirmed. Pretty sure it was just a family and the owner was either a relative or just said "hi family!" becuase they... were a family.

But since the mother looked like a teenager, the confusion is understandable.

I just looked up a picture of it... and yeah, the largest of the dark-haired members could be a rather androgynous (for the animation style) woman.

I think the problem is that people probably jumped to conclusions about the role in the family of the blond guy in the centre. For all we know, he could be Oaken's younger brother, since Oaken is fairly light-haired as well (his beard is somewhere between blond and a light ginger).

Yeah. I mean, she follows the "young attractive female" mold of this movie: big eyes, tiny nose, tiny mouth and petite.

One of the theories is that he's a brother XD

I don't think it was confirmed either way, but the big guy in the middle was the only one who looked like an adult to me. And he was, well, in the middle, which made me think he was the dad.

I think there's a very good chance Disney intended it to be a gay family, but they'll never confirm it, with the controversy. As far as I know, the director flat out said, "We know what kind of movie we made, and it's up to everyone to interpret it for themselves."

Eh I respectfully disagree. If anything, this just shows Disney has a problem with infantilizing attractive young female characters. Elsa, for example, doesn't look anywhere near 21.

And even if they did - which, again, I doubt - a 1 second of a "may be gay character if I squint" doesn't count as representation and I don't believe Disney deserves points for it.

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gabzillaz - 2014-07-02 00:24 (UTC) - Expand

I am making the same face as your icon right now. I forgot about that. It's just so wonderful to be represented for half a second.

and by represented we mean people thought sauna guy and the owner were a couple because the mom looked like a kid

Err, how was Frozen an allegory for mental illness? Seems like a stretch.

Elsa's shutting herself away and hiding her powers.

+ Word of God.

Citation needed, that Elsa shutting herself away because of her powers had anything to do with mental illness, word of god.

That doesn't make any sense. And I can understand a lot of metaphors for Elsa's power. Being gay makes the most sense to me (conceal don't feel, born that way, people will think you're a monster, etc), or really being "different" in any way.

but mental illness? Elsa wasn't metaphorically anxious and depressed, she was anxious and depressed. Because she was hiding something that made her different. That's not a metaphor, that's what it feels to hide a part of yourself. The anxious/depressed thing was a reaction to the power, not the power itself. And it would be silly that her climactic moments are embracing her "mental illness" while ceasing to be anxious/depressed at all.

Not to me. A lot of of Elsa's actions and reactions seemed very relatable to what I go through when I'm depressed and anxious.

ayrt

Elsa was depressed and anxious, yes. Because of the power that she was hiding, though, not because the power itself was depression/anxiety. What I disagree with is that her ice power is a metaphor for mental illness. Any "illness" she has isn't innate, it's a reaction to the power that she's hiding, the thing that makes her different. I can see her ice power being a metaphor for a lot of things, but a mental illness reading doesn't make sense to me.

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