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[ SECRET POST #2736 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2736 ⌋

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Aww, I liked book Thorin, but he does feel more fleshed out in the films. (Almost all the characters do, though. Most the dwarves have absolutely no personality in the book.)

However I do think the book is great and the writing is beautiful, but the ending should hit twenty times harder because Richard Armitage is awesome. Also Peter Jackson gets off on dramatic deaths and his fans tears.

The ending is going to be tear jerking and painful and horribly saddening and dramatic and AMAZING. I look forward immensely to bawling my way through it.

That is exactly how I see it. It's going to be the best kind of painful, and I look forward to it. If it isn't heartbreaking than Peter Jackson has fucked up and we as a fandom deserve refunds.

The third film is most likely going to be the type of movie I put on when I want to cry. (Don't fail me now, PJ!)

But how will Bilbo cope with his Mpregnancy without Thorin and the gang?

You've been reading too much fanfic!

I am both not looking forward to it and looking forward to it, kill me with your acting Mr. Armitage. I demand it.

Ugh, I want to see Thorin die so badly. And I love him, that's a weird thing to say...

But it's going to be devastating, right?! *glee*

I know what you mean, I want to be bawling my eyes out at the end of the last movie.

It's going to be horrible and awful and I am going to cry at you the night I see it, just so you're warned.

If I don't come out of that theater feeling dehydrated and emotionally drained, I will consider my money wasted.

I agree completely. I'm bringing a box of tissues, and if I don't use those tissues so help me god, Peter Jackson, you'll have ruined everything.

LOL how easily manipulated are you if these crap movies make you cry?

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I want the same for Fíli and Kíli too. Please Sir PJ! I want them to have a dramatic tear-jerking battlefield deathscene! Like Haldir's only ten times worse!

Book!Thorin was meant to be as unlikable as possible so people wouldn't really give a shit when he died. They weren't meant to be characters except Bilbo, they were just metaphors for things. You weren't ever supposed to feel positive emotions for him.

I disagree. I dislike much of The Hobbit, the book, but Thorin's deathbed farewell to Bilbo was not one of them and I find it hard to believe that scene would have been written with such emotional intensity if we were never meant to care.

What intensity? It was two paragraphs. The whole point of it was for Tolkien to tell the reader the message of the Hobbit. It's not an emotional character moment.

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DA - We're meant to care after Thorin's death is a foregone conclusion, though. It almost feels like sloppy writing, but he wasn't a terribly sympathetic character for a great deal of the book, especially the conflict with Bilbo and the Arkenstone. But this is Tolkien and a death like this must be noble and therefore Thorin needs to be redeemed. See: Boromir.

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Oops?

Not sure what I'm supposed to say to this...

Even if that was Tolkien's intention, Thorin was still an enjoyable character to me. Not saying he was the most likable character, but I found him interesting. Even if his death scene was more about a message than, well, him, it still moved me in a massive way, and I'll always associate positive feelings towards his character because of it.

His story is tragic and unfortunate and I think most people could learn from his greed, and so even if people don't like him, well...I wouldn't say he's as unlikable as possible. He's a flawed character for sure, but people are flawed too, and that's partially why we connect with characters.

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hey weren't meant to be characters except Bilbo, they were just metaphors for things.

Ok, I know what I said above about modern and classical characters but that's a massive oversimplification. And despite what I said above I was *devestated* as a child when Thorin died. (Mainly because it was the first time I'd read a book where a main character did.)

Peter Jackson has no subtlety and can't fucking write.

You know I am okay with people not liking Peter Jackson, and I know there are plenty of people who don't, but I am starting to suspect that you are the same person angrily commenting all over this thread and I don't really get why this is so important.

We like different things, that's cool.

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ia.

Peter Jackson isn't the lead screenwriter. Doesn't anyone bother to fucking read credits?

Well, duh, they took an episodic and not very long novel that's written by a somewhat unreliable Bilbo and expanded it to three films with an omniscient narrator, LOTR retcons, and filler from appendices that ...

TOLKIEN NEVER WANTED TO WRITE BECAUSE THEY WERE IRRELEVANT TO THE CONFLICT OF FALL, MORTALITY, AND MACHINE THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT OF HIS STORYTELLING.

So of course everyone is more fleshed out because it's Jackson's fanfic.

EDIT: Correction Walsh/Boyens fanfic.

Edited 2014-07-01 04:11 (UTC)

Whether or not he wanted to write them, it's a damn good thing he did. The main story he wanted to tell was frankly dull as dirt and about as original -- but the world he created in order to do so was worth it ten times over.

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I'm assuming PJ will just write his own alternate ending by this point. (I think I'm joking...)

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