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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-06-30 07:07 pm

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-30 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I kinda hated book!Thorin, so I'm gonna have to agree with the sentiment. I think movie!Thorin is awesome.

I wouldn't go so far as to say the book doesn't have the heart that the movies do, but I respect your opinion on the matter.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-30 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, not sure I'd go that far either but I think the movies do a better job of showing Thorin as a more well rounded person, if that makes any sense? He seems less sympathetic in the books, if only because you don't get inside his head or see things from his point of view very much.

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[personal profile] peablossom 2014-06-30 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
All I know is that Tolkien didn't decide to cliffhang any of his books by covering a dragon in molten gold and then having it fly off while telling itself in the most melodramatic fashion possible, "I am FIRE! I AM...DEATH!"

So the books win.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-30 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
IDK, I think I like that version better.

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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2014-07-01 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I think book!Smaug is a bit of a drama queen who loves the sound of his own voice, but the Temple of Doom shenanigans with the molten gold was ridiculous.
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[personal profile] mechanosapience 2014-06-30 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
In general, I think the films have done a better job of portraying the characters in a more well-rounded fashion, but I have to acknowledge that the book and the movies are going for different audiences, so different styles are to be expected.

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-30 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I find this true of most Tolkien characters that got adapted to film. Something weird about those books -- they were so effective at getting you hooked on the universe they were set in, and so bad at making you care about the characters on a personal level.

Except for The Silmarillion. When will all these morally grey badasses get their adaptation already?

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-30 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Doesn't hurt that he's gorgeous in the films, instead of a cranky old dwarf.

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(Anonymous) 2014-06-30 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I also connected with movie!Thorin where I didn't care for book!Thorin but I'm wouldn't say the movie had more heart. They're very different mediums, but I thought Bilbo's evolution and perspective in the book were very compelling. I think the movies would have even more heart if they focused more on Bilbo. He seems rather incidental for a movie called The Hobbit.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-30 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I have the book with me but I decided to lay it off and read it after the last movie comes out because I don't want to spoil it. *insert READ THE BOOOKKK.gif*

But I hate movie!Thorin with a burning passion, he is a lousy king and I lost all the respect I had for him in that scene where they reached that hidden door and he simply threw the key and all the fucks he gave and decided to leave like 5 secs after they reached without even trying. That was a seriously dumb move.

I was hoping we'd have a different version of him in the book. Like movie!Frodo and book!Frodo in LOTR.

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spoiler for the last book/movie, though I feel like everyone knows this by now

[personal profile] elaminator 2014-06-30 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Aww, I liked book Thorin, but he does feel more fleshed out in the films. (Almost all the characters do, though. Most the dwarves have absolutely no personality in the book.)

However I do think the book is great and the writing is beautiful, but the ending should hit twenty times harder because Richard Armitage is awesome. Also Peter Jackson gets off on dramatic deaths and his fans tears.
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[personal profile] siofrabunnies 2014-06-30 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but, Thorin wasn't the point of the book, he was a plot vehicle. Bilbo is the heart of the book.

I mean, it's great that you enjoy the character more (book Thorin got really grating after a while, so grim and dour), but he's not the one carrying the story.

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[personal profile] intrigueing 2014-07-01 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah no. The book definitely has heart.

But I do agree that the movies did make Thorin more three-dimensional and fleshed out, while he's hard to suss out in the book. That's the one thing that's sorta good about them. Mind you, I don't really like the fleshed-out, three-dimensional character that resulted, but I suppose that's more my problem, I think, not the movie's.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-01 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I agree. I like the book for what it is, but I felt zero connection or emotions concerning any of the dwarves.

But in the movie... oh boy. All the feelz. Especially regarding the Durins.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-01 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
Unpopular opinion but I really didn't like The Hobbit book. It felt too heavy-handed for me.
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[personal profile] ibbity 2014-07-01 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, for the issues that the movies had, they really succeeded in making Thorin someone you can get invested in on a personal level.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-01 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed and I almost wish the movie didn't make him feel more sympathetic because I know I'll still love this character no matter what he does in the third film and the death is going to crush me. I didn't need more sadness about fictional characters in my life. :(

(Anonymous) 2014-07-01 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Lol.

The book and the moviez are different creatures with different purposes and therefore different approaches to characters. Doesn't make one better than the other... but when you weigh up both end results, one is clearly better than the other. And it ain't the movies.

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(Anonymous) 2014-07-01 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
I honestly can't figure out what's likeable about Thorin except that he's a hot dwarf. I found him obnoxiously overplayed - like that scene where that one old dwarf is explaining their history and Thorin is standing on the cliff posing, so annoying. The movie wants us to think he's badass so badly, when most of the time he's just insufferable. Then again, I pretty much hate everything about the Hobbit movies. I really wish I liked them. I fangirled over LOTR so hard, but I just find so little about them that's redeemable. I just don't find anyone remotely interesting, except for Bilbo himself.

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[personal profile] toku_mei 2014-07-01 02:25 am (UTC)(link)
I'd agree that movie Thorin has more personality than book Thorin - for the most part, none of the dwarves were that developed, and I don't really remember Thorin having much depth even if he had certain characteristics. But I don't really think movie Thorin is that likable, or interesting. Which is also, incidentally, how I felt about both of the movies. But hey, third one's a charm... maybe?

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(Anonymous) 2014-07-01 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
Tbh I think I still like cartoon Thorin best.

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(Anonymous) 2014-07-01 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
I empathised way more with 2D book!Thorin than I did with moody action film!Thorin. I love Richard Armitage, too, but the way he's been mangled is ridiculous.
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[identity profile] mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com 2014-07-01 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, before these movies, I barely even remembered anything about The Hobbit (which says something for how long ago I read the book, I suppose). The thing is, once reminded, I did recall how damn little the book has of characterisation for anyone except Bilbo. We almost don't know anything about most of the dwarves, other than they're there.

So on a whole I do love that the movies have actually made something out of all of them, and yes, I do like that we have more insight into Thorin.

I am, however, thinking that it will be a real killer to see how far he slips into madness in the third movie.

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[personal profile] arcadiaego 2014-07-01 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, yeah, you can't make three movies out of a fairly short children's book and keep *all* the dwarves as two dimensional characters who are barely distinguishable (which is intentional). I wish they hadn't decided to practically push the character whose perspective the story is supposed to be from (the clue is in the title) almost off the screen for half the time though!