[ SECRET POST #2774 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2774 ⌋

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Comments

[jaybie_jarrett]

This kinda reminds me of these posts that take a scene from some show and is like "Can we talk about how IMPORTANT this is" and then goes on to inject a reading of social justice stuff in a way that just makes you go "whu?"

Or they take something, take it out of context and make it fit their agenda. I remember a particular instance of this where someone took a scene from Danny Phantom where one of the villains, Desiree said something like "No man may lay a hand on me unless I wish it" and turned it to be about sexual assault when the context of the scene was the male protagonist stopping her from killing innocents. But there were still a bunch of people who bought it and said things like "rape is how Danny saves the day" and shit. It just pissed me off SO much.

Like...really all that scene even proved was "...okay so she has hang-ups about dudes. Not surprising giving her canon past as a harem girl but it's certainly not implying what you seem to think it is."

and there was this other thing from Lilo and Stich that was like "can we talk about how sad it is that Lilo , the only native Hawaiian there ((citation needed)) was bullied out of her hula class about HER culture by white girls" and they got chewed out by an actual Hawaiian person about how wrong they were.

Also that scene (also from Lilo and Stitch ) where Nani gets fired from her job at the Luau (sp?) and makes a comment about 'who wants to work at this fake luau anyway' and some tumblrina's came in stating that it was a ~statement~ about how real Hawaiians saw white people luaus. and most of us are just like..."um...no she's saying that because she's angry and upset about being fired from the ONLY job she had when she was trying to support her sister."

Why does everything have to be a statement?

[nyxelestia]

Gah, a lot of the racial stuff about Lilo and Stitch hits close to home for me, even though I'm not Hawaiian. I'm Indian, and there are a lot of parallels about commercialization of cultural traditions between Hawaiian and various Indian cultures. There is a lot of meta about Indian culture, cultural appropriation, commercialization, etc. and most of it just makes me roll my eyes when I see it. However, Lilo and Stitch I run into more because it's fandom-based and, well, there's more of it, and it tends to elicit the same reaction.

Lilo was definitely NOT the only Hawaiian girl there. Out of the five younger girls in the class, only two were white. Actually, only two were white out of all ten girls there (but the other five were an older group with no speaking roles).

[jaybie_jarrett]

Yeah it totally ignored the fact that there are some pale Hawaiian people. But on Tumblr it's usually "pale? WHIIIIITE"

[nyxelestia]

Funny part is that they're not even all that pale, maybe just a shade or two off from Lilo. *eyeroll*

[jaybie_jarrett]

Yeah. It's like SJWs operate on some version of the "one drop rule".

[nyxelestia]

I know from memory that a lot of SJW arguments are actually suspiciously similar to a lot of "oppressors'" arguments for various anti-justice, discriminator, or bigoted actions across the last few centuries.

Every now and then, I consider running a parallel post pointing this out. But then I wonder if they're even worth the amount of time that would take, and anyway I can already think of the arguments they would make about it as a result and that is a mess that I would love to get involved in, but can't right now due to time-constraints.

[jaybie_jarrett]

Yeah. That's true. It's disturbing how good that can be at spouting these things and then convincing everyone that they're "for justice" and "progressive".

I tend to pick my battles with them and be careful which ones I respond to with my username. I have heard of people who were obsessive enough to harass a person for months after for something they said. and that shit's too stressful to bother with.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't like the "so IMPORTANT" thing. Most of the time, it's just hogwash.

[(Anonymous)]

It also ties into fandom/Tumblr's overwhelming urge to make their favorite thing superior by making it superior morally.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh god, yes. I wish this trend would die, so hard. Why can't we just enjoy things because they're fun? It's like how people keep on trying to tack 'abusive' on everything so you're not allowed to like it.

to clarify

[jaybie_jarrett]

I don't mind people pointing out things relating to actual issues. I have a problem with people misconstruing things and ignoring context or talking about things that they don't know about (like Hawaiian culture) because they want to look like they're making a point.

With Danny Phantom, they could have easily discussed Desiree and her background (like actually discussed not just a lazy screencap and "omg can we talk about this?") without distorting things to make it look like she's the victim when being stopped from killing and hurting people.

If you also want to talk about issues in Danny Phantom you could talk about Vlad and his selfish attitude when it comes to "finding love" (like discarding a little girl who loved him because she wasn't the 'perfect half ghost son' he wanted) and his treatment toward Maddie like she owes him something because he had a tragic lab accident. His disregard of her wants and needs that is constant.

If you want to talk about race issues in Lilo and Stitch you could talk about the deleted scene that ACTUALLY dealt with that issue. (the one where Lilo gets tired of the way tourists treat her and pulls a prank to clear them off the beach. Yeah there's THAT.

I didn't want to seem like I was against people discussing real issues in their shows and stuff. Just...the way some people will misinterpret something and twist it to turn it into one of their issues. (Like the person on a Harry Potter post trying to claim that people hate Umbridge worse than Voldemort because she's a woman and not because she's a more personal type of villain that people actually have EXPERIENCE with)

[sarillia]

Ugh, I remember the Lilo and Stitch thing. Is perpetuallybemused the actual Hawaiian you're talking about? I know her (she's really awesome, by the way) and I remember her talking about it.

[jaybie_jarrett]

I think so.

Yeah.

When I read the OP the first time I just sorta rolled my eyes at it because it seemed like the typical "teenage justice warrior wannabe from America talking about things from their black and white perspective."

It also makes me think of a more recent thing where a celebrity visiting in India wore a sari and a bunch of people got mad about it and when on Indian person pointed out that it wasn't offensive and it was probably a gift that would have been rude to refuse some other person comes in and is like "no shut up and fuck you and fuck her and fuck any people who are okay with this"

Honestly that's what kinda bothers me the most about some of tumblr's community. Not that they're discussing issues It's that they're so SET on their perspective and opinion and NOBODY can argue with them. Even if that person has more insight then them.

[sarillia]

Yeah I have issues with that too. I think coming at social justice from a black and white perspective is inherently flawed since my social justice is based on remembering that people are individuals and should be treated with respect. How can you claim to be supporting people at the same time you're trampling all over their opinions and lived experience?

I hate when someone outside the group they're trying to help has an idle thought that something may possibly be offensive to that group, but then they don't bother to check with the people who are actually affected. It's great that they're thinking about it, really it is, but you need to do the research and make sure you're not talking out of your ass. I see this particularly in discussions about disability and it's so frustrating.

[jaybie_jarrett]

Yeah....

I get the feeling that some of them are doing it more for show and their ego than anything else.

[(Anonymous)]

Those posts are ridiculous because more often than not what they're saying is so progressive and revolutionary is actually the same old usual shit just given a social justice spin.

[jaybie_jarrett]

Yeah...pretty much.

It bothers me how they use "social justice" to basically justify doing stuff and saying anything they want. Then if anyone disagrees they can make a big show of pronouncing what bigots and "~horrible people~" they are.