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⌈ Secret Post #2792 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/gDzi98e.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I really need to finish it. I put it down at the point Heathcliff sent Joseph to get his son because my only thought was "He’s going to do something *horrible* to that child!" and I hated him so much I couldn’t take it anymore. I mean Jesus Christ, I want into thinking it was some grand love story for the ages and I got the romantic hero hanging dogs and killing baby birds.

[lunabee34]

Ahahahhahaha. Yes. It's an incredibly violent book, and the child abuse is very egregious. The first time I read it, I thought Hindley was going to end up killing Hareton somehow, and he very nearly does.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, fuck it. I loved the book. I couldn't finish AUSTEN, but WH I read two times. The people are fucked up, the abuse was disturbing and the love was incredibly selfish, just like Cathy and Heathcliff themselves. But I've always liked the book because it was so different than the lighthearted fare they were pushing on us in school. I've felt impulses and ugliness like Heathcliff, I know what it's like to want too much, so I got it. I outgrew it, thank God, but I could still understand.

And I hoped that Heathcliff's ghost found Cathy's and they haunted Wuthering Heights together forever after. "Our love was eternal. Literally."

[iceyred]

Strange. I would have thought WH would be popular for all the reasons you listed.

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much. Of course, navel-gazing can be really enjoyable when it's done just for the fun of analyzing and it's somewhat tongue-in-cheek and not taken too seriously. But usually the main reasons or actual reasons are usually pretty simple.

[sarillia]

Hey, I like academic navel-gazing! But I agree with this. Emily Bronte is my least favorite Bronte sister (I love Anne).

[kallanda_lee]

Book look at fannfic - people love stories about miserable, dysfunctional people who are assholes.

[(Anonymous)]

Only when they love those miserable dysfunctional assholes already, imo.

[starzki]

Ugh. I HATED Wuthering Heights. I tried to read it three times, but couldn't get into it, so I got the audiobook and listened to it on a long car ride. By the end, I was just seething about what a waste energy it was. The moral of the story seemed to be that adoption of someone of the lower class would throw the upper class into turmoil.

I'm sure some people would prefer the darker, moodier story to one that is wittier with a happy ending, but I am definitely not one of those people.

[(Anonymous)]

I’m a believer in the theory Heathcliff was Mr. Earnshaw’s illegitimate son and Cathy’s half-brother.

[arcadiaego]

The moral of the story seemed to be that adoption of someone of the lower class would throw the upper class into turmoil.

Because he was brought up being treated as if he was inferior, not because that was unavoidable.

CLASSIC LITERATURE FIGHT!!!

[dethtoll]

Not to denigrate the entirety of the classic literature canon, but a huge chunk of the books that lit wonks these days jerk themselves into a stomachache over are actually quite shitty.

A lot of these books are considered classics precisely because there is a long history of (mostly white, mostly male) intellectuals insisting they are because that's what their (mostly white, mostly male) mentors impressed on them. That doesn't make it not still populist genre trash. In 100 years scholars (who will probably still be white and stuffy if not necessarily male) will be doing the exact same thing to 50 Shades of Gray.

Re: CLASSIC LITERATURE FIGHT!!!

[(Anonymous)]

Well, setting aside your remarks about 'populist genre trash', which are quite dumb but not really the relevant point here - what did you have in mind specifically as things that are actually shit but regarded as classic

Re: CLASSIC LITERATURE FIGHT!!!

[insanenoodlyguy]

What if it's black female cyborgs doing it*? Could happen man

*by this time I figure transhumanism will be an important part of identity.

Re: CLASSIC LITERATURE FIGHT!!!

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like it's ultimately probably a lot more constructive to just criticize individual books and say why you think they're bad - ideally by actually saying some shit about the books, instead of just your imagined conspiracy theories of why people claim to like them.

I mean jesus dude. Whether it's true or not, none of this criticism is meaningful at all unless you actually talk about the merits or flaws of an actual book. It's seriously just kneejerk anti-intellectualism gussied up with a few words about privilege.

Re: CLASSIC LITERATURE FIGHT!!!

[(Anonymous)]

lol, "populist genre trash" kind of loses its meaning coming from you, especially when I remember that you admired House of Leaves, a stupidly pretentious book written for people who want to think themselves smarter than they are.

[sparklywalls]

Personally I love WH because I loved reading through it thinking I HATE THESE PEOPLE, PLEASE CAN THEY ALL JUST FAIL?! And tbh nobody really comes out the other end winning or being a half decent person...except maybe Hareton (depending on how you feel about that one.)

But I totally understand why people dislike it and I roll my eyes at ANYONE who calls it the greatest, purest romance ever. No, Heathcliff and Cathy are complete arseholes...how can you miss this?

Also even as someone born and partly raised in Yorkshire, for me the archaic form of Joseph's dialogue is trying.

[insanenoodlyguy]

If it's dull, it's dull. The rest is irrelevant. I appreciate people appreciating something for what is trying to do/be, but in the end something is what it is. Also Jane Austin fuck yeah!

[chardmonster]

Yes yes freshman English sucks I know

[lunabee34]

Aww, OP. That's one of my favorite books. I've probably read it close to twenty times now in the twenty years since I first read it, and I've taught it at least six times.

I think I love it for all the reasons you hate it. Everyone is the book is utterly awful and horrible. The general undercurrent of violence and aggression makes for a tense read. The opening ghost scene with Lockwood sleeping in Cathy Sr.'s old room is genuinely creepy and frightening.

I have lots to say about this novel, but I will not as your opinion appears to be the prevailing one. I'll just say that I would love, love love to see Wuthering Heights as an HBO mini-series. It would be awesome.

[diet_poison]

Hm. I liked Wuthering Heights actually, but it wasn't a happy story by any means.

I do think people in general like happy endings. I do too, for the most part.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't think WH was all that great, but I actually did manage to finish it. That's more than I can say for any of Austen's books, which I couldn't get more than one or two chapters into before I gave up. Talk about dull. I guess the witty parts were further in the back.

[(Anonymous)]

I am often surprised to discover a classic work of literature is also a really good book. Wuthering Heights? Not so much. I hate that book and everyone in it. And people who talk about Heathcliffe as a romance hero? Hanged his wife's little dog!

I got all the way through it once and that is plenty. I like Jane Eyre, and The Tenant of Wildfell Hall, but Emily is one Bronte too far for me.

[i_paint_the_sky]

They're both massively popular books that some people love and others hate. I don't think there is really that much of a competition, OP.

(Also Wuthering Heights is totally better than both P&P and Emma, though I love all three of them dearly =P)